R32 Vs R35

[m3gtr]

someone please explain to me a few things.

1) Why this R32 was a whisker away from lapping the ring faster than the BRAND NEW R35?..15 years ago!

2) Why is it a car that is more over 15 years old can do that?

and

3) What it says about the current car

7.38* -- 161.628 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, *company test driver Suzuki, www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*#40

7.38.56 - 161.578 km/h -- Nissan R32 GT-R

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mqjnwbji13k

[GTS4nMore]

Ummmm, it tells me that the R32 was definately not Stock!

Here is a nice list:

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThrea...0&tID=10073

Looks like the same list you got it from infact!

Interesting that even the 1001hp Veyron is whipped by the R35

7:40 --- 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)

Though wheels were probably babying it.....

Edited October 25, 2007 by GTS4nMore

[MMM]

The honour roll: 10 fastest production cars at the Nordschleife (rounded to the nearest second):

Pagani Zonda F Clubsport: 7min 28sec

Porsche Carrera GT: 7:28

Porsche 997 GT 2: 7:32

Koenigsegg CCR: 7:34

Nissan GT-R prototype: 7:38

Mercedes SLR McLaren: 7:40

Porsche 911 Turbo: 7:40

Bugatti Veyron: 7:40

Corvette Z06: 7:42

Porsche 911 GT3: 7:42

i dont see no r32 there

[krogoth]

because its not a production car?

pretty sure that 7.38 is correct for the 32 gtr

seen it on some website, lemme find link

Edited October 25, 2007 by krogoth

[funkymonkey]

the stopwatch in that video shows 8:28:20 for the R32.

[Rekin]

Watching this video;

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mqjnwbji13k

It shows at the end a time of 8:27 i think

edit: Funky bet me to it

[funkymonkey]

... actually I have the development history of the R32 stashed away somewhere... brb time to dig up some old books.

[funkymonkey]

aha...

the P901 Project (codename for R32 GTR from back in April 1987) was tweaked and tuned at Nurburgring to beat the Porsche 944 (sound familiar?)... and on the 10th of October 1988 it made a best time of 8 minutes 20 seconds... beating the Porsche which was timed at 8 minutes 45 seconds.

[ferni]

The R33 GTR was the first production car to do sub 8mins. R32 got no where near it. But the sub 8min was never officially confirmed.

[rev210]

The R33 GTR was the first production car to do sub 8mins. R32 got no where near it. But the sub 8min was never officially confirmed.

It was actually confirmed officially by nissan at the time. It's really only rumours recently (due to revised talk about skylines all over the net) disputing this fact doing the rounds that it wasn't officially confirmed.

I remember seeing it again recently on some sort of official Nissan literature and it's on the Nissan GTR launch website as well.

[Duncan]

no way is a standard boost, standard tyred, speed limited r32 doing those times.

[notsick180]

Does any one know what lap time did the r34 nur spec did?

[warps]

Pfft 7:38. Slooow!

How's

sound, straight off the showroom floor? Probably cheaper than a GTR as well.

[IOWNU]

Pfft 7:38. Slooow!

How's

sound, straight off the showroom floor? Probably cheaper than a GTR as well.

WTH.

That thing is ugly.

I don't even think you could call it a car.

[OzLeroy]

Here is an interesting proposition though.

On A PURE POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO BASIS:

We have 1750 (odd kg) / 353 kw (flywheel) for the R35 - GTR which costs anywhere from 80,000 - 160,000 AUD new.

So we could assume (and yes this is the contentious part) that we have a drivetrain loss of approximately 15 %

So now we have 1750 Kg / 300 Kw (at the wheels) which yields 5.83 Kg per kilowatt (at the wheels)

The power required of an R32 GTR to meet this is 1500 Kg / 5.83 = 257.3 Kw (at the wheels)

Far as I know this figure should be pretty easily achievable (most probably on standard internals too). Further it could be done quite cheaply.

So forgetting the fact that most R32's are getting pretty tired and the fact that you would likely be KILLED on top speed (we have not compared drag ratios) as well as cornering and Braking (unless you have spent the time and money and have these covered too.

I reckon 260-280 awkw for an ol R32 is less than ~$15000 away (assuming engine don't go boom which it may).

Purchase price of $25,000 (we after a pretty good example). Total cost of R32 GTR @ 260+ awKW = $40,000 and surely this is a conservative estimate!

Something to think about anyway...

My point is, I suppose that an R32 GTR is STILL a performance bargain if you have the dedication (obsession?) to keep it in good nick.

A good 280 awkw R32 GTR vs stock R35 GTR drag is required!

i'm just jealus.. - I WANT ONE

[eMsta]

Pfft 7:38. Slooow!

How's

sound, straight off the showroom floor? Probably cheaper than a GTR as well.

great video....but man, id feel soooooooo unsafe with no window in front of me or a roof over my head!

[Inline 6]

yeah this r35 11.7 second quarter got me thinking how much do i need to do to get my 32 to beat it in a drag.

i was contempt in my belief that although only by a lil bit the 32 had the quickest quarter mile out of all the gtr's, then they had to go and bring in this new 1 and screw that up for me. Thanks Mr Nissan.

have to wait and see what a modified r35 can bust down the quarter and if its up to the challenge of the crazy times 32's have put down over the years

[sewid]

A good 280 awkw R32 GTR vs stock R35 GTR drag is required!

I bet Nissan tucked launch control away somewhere in the R35's ECU like BMW did with the E46 M3.

[warps]

WTH.

That thing is ugly.

I don't even think you could call it a car.

Oh yes, it's a car alright.

All that from only 2.6 litres, without a turbo in sight either.

Ugly? Mmmm riiiight. That's the most important thing afterall, isn't it?

The ultimate track day weapon, bar none. not much good for taking the kids to school, or doing the shopping though. An R35 GTR would be fine for those duties.

[scathing]

That thing is ugly. I don't even think you could call it a car.

So are R33s. But what invalidates the R33 GT-R's 7:59 "production car" time is the slicks, removal of speed limiter, and non-standard boost....not its looks.

It can be road registered in its country of origin. Its built in production volumes. Your dislike of it doesn't get rid of the facts.

Yes, there are plenty of countries where the car can't be road registered. But then, the Enzo and Veyron can't be road registered in Australia. The Porsche 959 couldn't be registered in the US. Yet the times they pull would still be considered valid.

Yes its a track day special. But then so is a M3 CSL or 911 GT3 RS etc and no-one would disregard their results just because they're "track day" specials.

Yes they're also very compromise on the road. But then again, so is your typical supercar like the Zonda, as Top Gear showed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drhoArQAXDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZdU-d9RL0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuI0OPavDn0

The Radical SR8 is the fastest road legal car around the Nordschleife that you can buy straight off the showroom floor, assuming you've got the balls to drive it that hard.