R32 Vs R35

[IOWNU]

So are R33s. But what invalidates the R33 GT-R's 7:59 "production car" time is the slicks, removal of speed limiter, and non-standard boost....not its looks.

It can be road registered in its country of origin. Its built in production volumes. Your dislike of it doesn't get rid of the facts.

Yes, there are plenty of countries where the car can't be road registered. But then, the Enzo and Veyron can't be road registered in Australia. The Porsche 959 couldn't be registered in the US. Yet the times they pull would still be considered valid.

Yes its a track day special. But then so is a M3 CSL or 911 GT3 RS etc and no-one would disregard their results just because they're "track day" specials.

Yes they're also very compromise on the road. But then again, so is your typical supercar like the Zonda, as Top Gear showed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drhoArQAXDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZdU-d9RL0A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuI0OPavDn0

The Radical SR8 is the fastest road legal car around the Nordschleife that you can buy straight off the showroom floor, assuming you've got the balls to drive it that hard.

Valid point, but you're taking this too seriously.

I wasn't saying the time was invalid, I was just saying, there are other factors that I'd personally take into account in my selection of car.

Performance would be up there, but looks, comfort etc would be relevant. (cost as well obviously lol.)

Who cares if it does a 6.55, the thing looks like a glorified go-kart.

[IOWNU]

The ultimate track day weapon, bar none. not much good for taking the kids to school, or doing the shopping though. An R35 GTR would be fine for those duties.

lol.

Would rather an R35 GTR over that monstrosity. Yuck.

[scathing]

I wasn't saying the time was invalid, I was just saying, there are other factors that I'd personally take into account in my selection of car.

Oh, for sure. I'd never buy a Radical except for "toy" duties. Even with it street legal, can you imagine trying to drive it on a potholed Sydney road or over a speed hump?

Even then, I'd rather buy a Track Pack Ariel Atom instead. It may not be ultimately as quick, but it looks heaps cooler and has VTEC (yo). The Radical looks like an upside-down bathtub with wheels. The Atom looks like someone just took a small car and then got rid of everything extraneous.

[rev210]

So are R33s. But what invalidates the R33 GT-R's 7:59 "production car" time is the slicks, removal of speed limiter, and non-standard boost....not its looks.

Nissan claim the sub 8min officially, it was accepted at the time regardless of what we want to debate now.

Speed limiter wasn't included in the R33 GTR according to the country it got sold in (the Aussie R32s did not have it). It's not on slicks in that run either, boost is up for debate however it's not going to be more than the ceramic turbines can handle.

[scathing]

Speed limiter wasn't included in the R33 GTR according to the country it got sold in (the Aussie R32s did not have it). It's not on slicks in that run either, boost is up for debate however it's not going to be more than the ceramic turbines can handle.

What country was the R33 GT-R sold in officially, aside from Japan? Grey imports notwithstanding (and, if they are grey imports from Japan, then in "production trim" they would have the speed limiters intact).

I understood that it was on at least R-Comp semis for that run, which might have been available as a factory option on the car, and non standard boost (no matter how little the boost up) is still not production trim.

I also read somewhere that the car had a cage in it. More weight, but also more rigidity.

[Laurence]

The ultimate track day weapon, bar none. not much good for taking the kids to school, or doing the shopping though. An R35 GTR would be fine for those duties.

Only if your kids have no legs!

[ylwgtr2]

What country was the R33 GT-R sold in officially, aside from Japan?

England

[rev210]

What country was the R33 GT-R sold in officially, aside from Japan? Grey imports notwithstanding (and, if they are grey imports from Japan, then in "production trim" they would have the speed limiters intact).

I understood that it was on at least R-Comp semis for that run, which might have been available as a factory option on the car, and non standard boost (no matter how little the boost up) is still not production trim.

I also read somewhere that the car had a cage in it. More weight, but also more rigidity.

How did you understand it was on Competition tyres? Actually suggestions of increased boost are really baseless as well, we can't really confirm or deny it (suggesting it was increased is based purely on the belief that it was for no other reason?). There is also no roll cage in the car (that you can see).

I think perhaps you are looking for possible reasons to invalidate the sub 8 min claim but, so far we are getting internet speculation, doesn't stand up especially when there is no evidence.

I mean I can understand if the argument is that Nissan are lie tellers and the other brands aren't, that I can accept and we can agree to disagree.

Now back to topic...

[gts-4 dreamer]

so out of the 32's the 33's and the 34's the 33 laped the ring fastest..... ?

if that is true... up yours boat calling fan boys >

either way, 33 > 32 >

[funkymonkey]

so out of the 32's the 33's and the 34's the 33 laped the ring fastest..... ?

if that is true... up yours boat calling fan boys >

either way, 33 > 32 >

33 GTR's sample data from the sensors at twice the rate of R32 GTR's, and have full electronically controlled solenoids to control steering as opposed to hydraulic R32 stuff. technologically if the R32 was a 386 (and it's ECU has about the same processing power) then the R33 is a Pentium 1.

That said, we're talking about GTRs. Driving an R33 GTSt is still like picking a retarded kid to give you a piggyback.

[thrtytwo]

33 GTR's sample data from the sensors at twice the rate of R32 GTR's, and have full electronically controlled solenoids to control steering as opposed to hydraulic R32 stuff. technologically if the R32 was a 386 (and it's ECU has about the same processing power) then the R33 is a Pentium 1.

That said, we're talking about GTRs. Driving an R33 GTSt is still like picking a retarded kid to give you a piggyback.

HAHAHAHAHHAHA just made my day

[mad082]

so the fact that a stock r33 will beat a stock r32 over the 1/4 mile just shows that the retarded kid can run faster than the able bodied kid you chose.

as for saying that the r35 whipped a veyron isn't really true. 2 seconds after nearly 8 mins isn't much. and you would also have to look at all the details. was it the same driver? did the veyron driver go as hard as he could the whole time (like was he going full throttle down the straight and throwing caution to the wind). i am not disbuting that the new gtr isn't quick, i am more disbuting the time of the veyron.

[Redback]

Yes, there are plenty of countries where the car can't be road registered. But then, the Enzo and Veyron can't be road registered in Australia. The Porsche 959 couldn't be registered in the US. Yet the times they pull would still be considered valid.

Yes its a track day special. But then so is a M3 CSL or 911 GT3 RS etc and no-one would disregard their results just because they're "track day" specials.

well said *claps

[SilverECR33]

It was actually confirmed officially by nissan at the time. It's really only rumours recently (due to revised talk about skylines all over the net) disputing this fact doing the rounds that it wasn't officially confirmed.

I remember seeing it again recently on some sort of official Nissan literature and it's on the Nissan GTR launch website as well.

THat is correct, It was an official time 20+ seconds faster than the R32. I cant remember (for the life of me), the time for the R34 though. maybe its on the offical site.

[toffy]

That said, we're talking about GTRs. Driving an R33 GTSt is still like picking a fat retarded kid to give you a piggyback.

LOL ...hEY .. i own a r33 . in anyways, wtf is with all nissan owners picking on other nissan owners with different models?

[funkymonkey]

Hey... I didn't call your car fat. But now that you mention it my analogy was about the handling of an R33 GTSt compared to an R32 and R33 GTR.

Think of it as sibling rivalry All in good humour.

[Duncan]

I'm happy to give a stock 32gtr a run in a stock 33 gtst

[funkymonkey]

pfft... that's old hat... these days e-wars are fought over R35's n R34's.

[baron25]

Anyone see the Top Gear ages ago, where the current supercars were compared to their 80's and 90's counterparts?

Long story short, the Enzo, Zonda and Carrera GT were blown out of the water by the Mclaren F1, XJ220 and F40 in terms of outright speed, and handling.

Reasoning is, current cars are loaded with ESC, yaw control, throttle assist, all the stuff to make it easier for the average mug to drive quickly, but at the cost of outright pace. Whereas the 80's cars would happily let you spear into a tree at mach 2.

Apply this to the GTR and the 32, and the gap in times isn't so much a reflection on power, but also on safety and other secondary criteria.

my 2c

[HotPlates]

Anyone see the Top Gear ages ago, where the current supercars were compared to their 80's and 90's counterparts?

Long story short, the Enzo, Zonda and Carrera GT were blown out of the water by the Mclaren F1, XJ220 and F40 in terms of outright speed, and handling.

Reasoning is, current cars are loaded with ESC, yaw control, throttle assist, all the stuff to make it easier for the average mug to drive quickly, but at the cost of outright pace. Whereas the 80's cars would happily let you spear into a tree at mach 2.

Apply this to the GTR and the 32, and the gap in times isn't so much a reflection on power, but also on safety and other secondary criteria.

my 2c

I haven't seen that episode. Only the one where they were comparing the same car heritage (ie. 300ZX vs 350Z) but of different eras. Is there a youtube link for this?