Will The New Gtr Affect The Price Of R33/34's Etc

[QIK_GTR]

Will the release fo the new GTR's affect the price range of the current 33/34 GTR imports in the country?

If the newies are going to be around that $80k mark for the base, won't that push 34s way down to around $50k or there abouts and of course 33s etc down even lower?

sorry if this has been covered, but I'm thinking about buying a 33 GTR and this is something I'm concerned about, if its going to lose some value very quickly?

Thanks

[funkymonkey]

umm r34 gtr's have been in the 50-60K mark for a while now. R33's are in the 25-35K mark as well.

the new GT-R is totally different to the Skylines (hell, its not even a skyline) and doesn't share anything like the older models. its a totally seperate car in a seperate price range... doubt it would affect anything. we've always had an almost exclusive right to the Skyline GTR's along with the kiwi's and the pommes, and it'll continue to be that way... so the market won't change at all. If anything you might see a couple more R34 and R33 GTR's come up for sale in japan as older GT-R owners trade up to the new one.

The new GT-R doesn't mean that the Skyline's gonna be better supported locally by Nissan etc, they've made it a point to draw a line between the two. Except of course they'll whore the heritage and signature stove tops etc on the new GT-R... cos everyone like cult icons.

[Amir]

there is no doubt it will.

The GTR owners in japan will upgrade, flooding the market with even more R33s and 34s. Car prices don't stay the same, they always fall. Especially grey import nissans.

[Aaron34]

I think we are seeing wishfull thinking here.

[Got Boost?]

umm r34 gtr's have been in the 50-60K mark for a while now. R33's are in the 25-35K mark as well.

the new GT-R is totally different to the Skylines (hell, its not even a skyline) and doesn't share anything like the older models. its a totally seperate car in a seperate price range... doubt it would affect anything. we've always had an almost exclusive right to the Skyline GTR's along with the kiwi's and the pommes, and it'll continue to be that way... so the market won't change at all. If anything you might see a couple more R34 and R33 GTR's come up for sale in japan as older GT-R owners trade up to the new one.

The new GT-R doesn't mean that the Skyline's gonna be better supported locally by Nissan etc, they've made it a point to draw a line between the two. Except of course they'll whore the heritage and signature stove tops etc on the new GT-R... cos everyone like cult icons.

I agree, the new GTR isn't in the same bracket imo

[EKSMUD]

but unfortunately they share the same badge -Nissan and GTR-

Edited October 26, 2007 by BiAsA

[ras1983]

i doubt it. Evidence suggests that it is getting increasingly harder to import cars these days, the government put in new laws several years ago which were designed to slow down the rate of importing. I think you need a certified mechanic on site or something like that to be able to import and sell cars.

So, just because there might be more cars for sale in Japan, doesn't mean all of them will make it to Australia.

[wrxhoon]

Will the release fo the new GTR's affect the price range of the current 33/34 GTR imports in the country?

If the newies are going to be around that $80k mark for the base, won't that push 34s way down to around $50k or there abouts and of course 33s etc down even lower?

sorry if this has been covered, but I'm thinking about buying a 33 GTR and this is something I'm concerned about, if its going to lose some value very quickly?

Thanks

$80k fo r a new GTR , you wish mate, I'll have a couple at that price . More like $120-150k ...

[Ronin 09]

$80k fo r a new GTR , you wish mate, I'll have a couple at that price . More like $120-150k ...

think he means in JP - they're 8M yen aren't they?

[m3gtr]

think he means in JP - they're 8M yen aren't they?

They are.

8 Million yen will get you the high end GTR here.

Im not sure exactly what they will be priced at in Oz...everyone and their dog is throwing innuendo around like its going out of fashion over this..dealer said this...trusted friend said that...

whatever.

count on the GTR being over 100k thats for sure.

[QIK_GTR]

umm r34 gtr's have been in the 50-60K mark for a while now. R33's are in the 25-35K mark as well.

the new GT-R is totally different to the Skylines (hell, its not even a skyline) and doesn't share anything like the older models. its a totally seperate car in a seperate price range... doubt it would affect anything. we've always had an almost exclusive right to the Skyline GTR's along with the kiwi's and the pommes, and it'll continue to be that way... so the market won't change at all. If anything you might see a couple more R34 and R33 GTR's come up for sale in japan as older GT-R owners trade up to the new one.

The new GT-R doesn't mean that the Skyline's gonna be better supported locally by Nissan etc, they've made it a point to draw a line between the two. Except of course they'll whore the heritage and signature stove tops etc on the new GT-R... cos everyone like cult icons.

There are only 2 bog stock 34's for $50k on the net and that to me seems a bit dodgy as the next closest is $15k more, same with with R33's under $30k being a bit questionable, but anyway, I agree with you that the cars are totally seperate and it shouldn't have an affect, a friend put some doubt in my mind, telling me the new GTRs were going to be $80k or thereabouts according to the paper, yeah maybe in a yen conversion, but add taxes, import duties etc, $100k+ which is unreachable for most, so the 33s and 34s should stay about the same, but obviously drop as the depreciate in age etc!

$80k fo r a new GTR , you wish mate, I'll have a couple at that price . More like $120-150k ...

OK, chill buddy, I'm going off what a mate told me the paper was saying, trust me I wasn't plucking that figure from fat air, and I don't believe it anyway, a direct yen conversion for a JDM one perhaps, but taxes and duties will see it over $100k easy, so I agree with you 100%.

Anyway, I'm off to look at this 33 now, hopefully it'll be in my driveway mid next week!

Edited October 26, 2007 by QIK_GTR

[gtr fan]

They aren't due for release until early 2009 anyway so any effects won't be seen for some time.

Even so it probably won't have an effect on current prices as the new one will be in a completeley different price bracket. Current GTR's (except 34's) are so cheap now anyway, so the question is are they really going to get that much cheaper.

[700HP-GTR33]

IMO...(good examples only)

GTR32 will be priced at 20K...

GTR33 at 35K (15K over)

and GTR34 will settle at 50K(15K over).

Performance(enhanced) models or special V spec II(stock) will demand higher pricing depending on condition etc etc etc.

These prices will remain the same for many years.

This is in my opinion the fate of the 911 Porsche as well.

Even over 30 years old..a good condition one will set you back 30 to 40K depending on mods etc etc etc.

When there will be less GTR's to choose(20 years from now)...and most have sold(in parts)or crashed their ones

and the Japanese start to look here to buy some good examples, prices will start to move up.

Whether or not(doubt) it becomes like a GTHO phase III and hit that sort of pricing is up to the individuals(youngsters)

today that can't afford or drive one(P Plates) and their willingness to part with their money for them in the future.

I bought my GTR33 because IMO it looses less value than any car on the market.

As far as my mods are concerned(By choice)..I could sell them and get most..half..of my money back,

and still sell it for 35K..in stock form(I have kept all parts)

For example

If you had bought a Monaro 2 years ago..95K(New)fully optioned..GTO

Today you could not sell it for 60K...35K loss

Not a good point seeing that you purchased it new...but even if you look at all

the second hand sports cars out there and see how much they have gone down in price(2 years) you will see that

in all The Skyline..in GTR form or GTST form have been holding great values.

I am sick of hearing some on here saying they bought a GTST/R33 for 20K 3 years ago and now they can't bear

to sell it for 15K..lol.....5K over 3 years is great to lose on a car...especially for a sports car.

I would purchase any GTR over a BMW.MERK or AUDI(2 Door models)

Enough said.

[funkymonkey]

There are only 2 bog stock 34's for $50k on the net and that to me seems a bit dodgy as the next closest is $15k more, same with with R33's under $30k being a bit questionable

lol look harder

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/5726

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/7460

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11309

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11291

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11281

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11220

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11219

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11205

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11179

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11178

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11149

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11133

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/11121

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/10980

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/10972

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/10883

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/10700

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/10640

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/8977

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/9911

http://www.j-spec.com.au/list/7966

people who say "omg its cheaper than market value, there must be something wrong" are the exact same people who keep market values at delusionally high levels.

strong aussie dollar + lower japanese market value - unreasonable dealer price hikes = cheap R34 GTR's in the low 50K and V Specs from low 60K

R33 GT-R's are in the 25K to 35K price band similarly, and I can give you lots of examples for that. Due to every workshop under the sun being able to compliance R33's and recently R34's the cost of actually importing one is quite low compared to back in the day when compliancers tagged a hefty profit onto their compliance fees.

It doesn't take the new GT-R to cause that, just an open mind.

[QIK_GTR]

fair enough, but most of those you posted are closer to $60k and SOLD anyway so not something I'd be in the market for, but I was only looking at carsales, so I should have been more specific when I said 'net'

I bought a 33 on the weekend, so I guess it hasn't concerned me too much....but thanks for the opinions, and I agree, won't affect it at all in the near future if the new one isn't due out until 2009!

Edited October 29, 2007 by QIK_GTR

[funkymonkey]

they are sold because they were bought when they came up, but I'm just giving you those as an example of the prices that they do come up for. you'll also notice the ones closer to 60K are V Specs, and the ones closer to 50K are regular GTR's.

[thorpe84]

there is no doubt it will.

The GTR owners in japan will upgrade, flooding the market with even more R33s and 34s. Car prices don't stay the same, they always fall. Especially grey import nissans.

^^^ what he said

[funkymonkey]

lol 200 R35 GTR's released every month... lets assume 100% of the buyers are ex-skyline owners (highly unrealistic, but hey). Now lets take the popular models of Skylines released in the last 10 years (lets assume anyone who owns an R32 really can't afford a new GTR, or they'd have bought an R34 by now)... that's around 4 R33's, 4 R34's, 3 V35's, 3 V36's. So that means 2 out of 14 skyline owners will be GTR owners (seeing as only R33 and R34 had GTR models). so that means of the people upgrading to the NEW GTR, only 14.28% of them will be ex-GTR owners.

now that means 28 more GTR's on the market per month because people are upgrading. Now of those 28 GTR's lets say they vary from Grade 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5 and A (accident damaged, ie ineligible). Lets also assume you'd only import a Grade 3.5 or higher car. So 4/10 of them will be eligible for import. That means we're now down to 11 more GTR's on the market that are of decent quality per month. And that's assuming ALL the new buyers for GT-R's are ex skyline owners.

Oh noes.. the market is flooded.

they point I'm trying to make is that in the last month or so, the strong change in our favour of the exchange rate has dropped the price of your average R34 GTR by about $8000. This is a significant change that is much more noticeable than the change in market value that the introduction of a car that is twice the price of an R34 GTR or 4 times the price of an R33 GTR can effect.

[QIK_GTR]

that hurt my brain, but makes sense, and not all of those 11 GTR's extra GTR's available per month for import will make it here!

you can't assume all 32,33,34 owners can afford to or will upgrade!

[benny_blanco]

Well its not like the 32, 33, 34 GT-R is that hard to come by as people make out theres allways a minimum few for sale. So of course they will drop in price, but..... then it will get to the point it will start rising again. look @ the price of the really old gt-r's (1968 i think??) saw one for $120,000+ not so long ago.

GT-R V-SPEC I / II is another matter something like that, i would personally be happy paying the same sort of money for over the next few years.