Stcok Standard R32gtr

[locoloc]

I just brought a stock standard r32 gtr. (and I mean stock standard )

I'm not sure how powerfull or restrictive they are with the stock parts, but I swear I felt a

lot more kick in my old car ( old car = r32 gtst, fmic, exhaust, r33 turbo, hks opod filter )

Does this sound right??

I do feel that there is power, but I dont feel much pull. I heard that a stock gtr is supposed to be quick.

In first gear it lags unitl about 3000 rpm, then a small kick, then at about 5000rpm it kind of levels out

The revs continue to climb but only at a steady pace.

The same thing happens in second.

By third gear it feels quick but thats because it's already been an eternity and i'm already going over 1ookm.

The engine sounds fine but just sounds lioke it's working very hard after 5000rpm for not much gain.

ALL I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT HAVE I BLOWN A TURBO(S) OR IS THE STOCK SET UP VERY RESTRICTIVE.

It doesnt bother me if it's not quick, but I just need to know if it's as quick as it can be for the current set up.

Does anyone have any insight.

[MZTRBO]

First thing you should be checking is smoke pouring out your exhaust if a blown turbo is suspected to be the culprit.

I cant comment much on the gtr stock as a rock performance, but as far as I am aware they are referred to as very quick stock, but referring to stock as upgraded exhaust, filters, boost etc. Thats when they crack the 12sec barriers.

How much power was the R32gtst putting out? Id assume around 185-190rwkw. That is still fairly quick in the lighter r32, probaly a mid to low 13sec car.

It is an interesting comparison.

[MZTRBO]

Also it depends on your drivnig style. As we all know not everyone likes to be launching there r32gtst with the weak gearbox, so you may have adapted a similar driving style with the GTR. Go to the drags, rev it to 6000rpm, side step the clutch (if it can handle the power?) and im sure you will then witness what the GTR is all about.

I'd be interested to know what others think.

[locoloc]

Also it depends on your drivnig style. As we all know not everyone likes to be launching there r32gtst with the weak gearbox, so you may have adapted a similar driving style with the GTR. Go to the drags, rev it to 6000rpm, side step the clutch (if it can handle the power?) and im sure you will then witness what the GTR is all about.

I'd be interested to know what others think.

thats a fair comment...

Becuase the engine sounds and feels fine, or very good.

And there feels to be a lot of potential with minor mods...but I thought I would feel a lot more torque with a stock set up, thats all.

[R31Nismoid]

You felt a 'kick' from the R32 as you had a turbo that was a tad laggy.

So it ramped up onto boost differently.

The GTR is stock, whilst they are not slow in stock form, they arent exactly a rocketship either.

I suggest taking the car to a performance mechanic and have them inspect the car if you are unsure of it.

[warriorbrawl]

You felt a 'kick' from the R32 as you had a turbo that was a tad laggy.

So it ramped up onto boost differently.

The GTR is stock, whilst they are not slow in stock form, they arent exactly a rocketship either.

I suggest taking the car to a performance mechanic and have them inspect the car if you are unsure of it.

Agreed any car with stock boost generally delivers power in a very linear fashion.

Dont take it out and thrash it, if there is a problem you will only make it worse- get it checked out by someone that knows gtr's and can check the tune as in the AFR's.

at least then you can drive your new car knowing its all good.

[djr81]

If you are worried I would suggest the following:

First up, check the timing. Insufficient ignition advance will make the car feel sluggish.

If that is ok then take it to a dyno & get it run up. Check the AFR's while you are there.

Then you will know for sure.

What you need to remember is that you very quickly get used to how "fast" a car feels - particularly a turbo car as it lacks immediate torque. As often as not a car with a flat torque curve will feel slower than one with an uneven one. Despite the first of the two being quicker.

[Nismo_God]

just dyno it....

correct me if im wrong but stock gtr will only put out 185kw...

[GeeTR]

just dyno it....

correct me if im wrong but stock gtr will only put out 185kw...

A dead stock GTR with pods & cat back is about 210rwkw.

210rwkw pulling 1530kg is feels like puss.

... Time for mods locoloc

[RPR33]

Wait I know a guy with a r32 gtr with only pod filters (that he knows of) and it made 228rwkw not awkw. and runs like high 8's down an 8th mile (200m) the dyno may have been a little high maybe but it does pull away from my 200rwkw r33

Edited October 30, 2007 by RPR33

[D-Garage]

dude if it flatens out at 5k check your running 20deg of timing, some people 'tune' them to run on 'aussie fuel' aka 91oct and run them at like 10deg of timing to stop any chance of pinging. that would make it feel like it goes ok when the turbos come on boost then die in the ass just after.

[locoloc]

thanks for all inputs...

I hope it is a timing issue and I also suspect it to be a fuel issue.

I dont want to touch the timing as I dont really know what i'm doing...

Gonna book in for a dyno and get the timing looked at

Once again, It doesnt bother me if it's not zippy because I intended on slowly building it up anyway.

At the time of purchase I had a workshop check it. compression test it and they also sais the car drove well..

The compression was (i cant remember exact) around 160 with only 5 psi diffence between all cylinders..

The only faults they could point were some minor leaks in the engine which should have been fixed for the RWC..

It's just disappointing because I thought I had something I could start fresh on....

However all may just be well,, wait till the dyno results and someone a bit more GTR knowledge to look at it.

[R338OY]

Sounds dirty! I mean you should check the AFM's/AAC valve/intercooler/throttle body etc etc. because they all affect boost response and A/F ratios.

I'm no expert but common sense is you should do basic maintenance like that (esp. on an old car) before checking for turbo wear or anything else more serious.

The GTR should be zippy. You shouldn't have a doubt that its quick!

[Lithium]

The only stock standard GTR I went in was really really disappointing. Was running stock boost, stock exhaust, stock everything - I struggled to believe it.... I had a semi-wanked up NA Honda which was pretty comparable in acceleration (dodges flames).

The new owner of the otherwise mint R32 GTR trucked on and did a full service, got it a very unrestrictive full exhaust system, pod filters and an electronic boost controller for it and ran 1bar of boost. He was pretty happy with it and told me I should come for a drive to see if I thought it was better - to be fair I didn't have overly high expectations after how horrid it felt before. Seriously, the thing lost traction when it hit full boost in first and had my whole hearted attention from that point forward. It felt like it was designed to be like that... like Nissan would have liked to have done it from factory but knew they shouldn't, so set it up so you really HAD TO.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Lithium

[Yawn]

Yeah, when first got my car I got bored of the stock power very quickly, leaving me with the same questions as you. If it was really meant to be like that, or if my car had some problem.

Turned out to be coming on boost rather late compared to a friend's GTR. After a thorough inspection, it turned out that the turbo fins were kinda chipped and worn, but still functional.

A change of turbos, ecu, ebc, etc. and with a much lighter wallet, I got a 135rwkw gain at the time, without any extra lag

When it was stock it was dynoed at 165rwkw

Needless to say, I was stoked with 300rwkw, too bad that feeling of contentment didnt last long, or else I would be a much richer person now

Edited October 30, 2007 by Yawn

[SilverECR33]

clutch could be shagged.

[R338OY]

Turned out to be coming on boost rather late compared to a friend's GTR. After a thorough inspection, it turned out that the turbo fins were kinda chipped and worn, but still functional.

How did you find that out? Removed the piping around the turbo's? Cause i'm experiencing boost loss, wanna fix it asap!

[Yawn]

Basically my mechanics singled that out as the problem from their past experiences and after checking everything else. I didn't actually take anything out to confirm that was definitely the problem.

So i just assumed that was the problem and starting planning for turbo upgrades. Only when the stockies finally came out did I find that out for sure.

But in saying that, I was going to change turbos anyway, so I didn't want to spend unnecessary money just to check if the fins were screwed and then putting everything back on.

[R338OY]

Point taken Yawn.

Well guess it's a matter of trail and error to find the boost leak. Damn i didn't realise how p!ss weak factory RB turbos were til i got an R33

[SirRacer]

Personally i think its suffering from stock car syndrome.

I drove an r33 gtr earlier this year and i found it very slow. I remember mentioning to Lithium on the net later that i was very dissapointed. My s14 was much faster simply due to the weight difference which i think is your problem here also.