There Should Be An R35 Gt-t

[scathing]

dsg, w8, light wieght.. shit would own allot of much more expensive brands... hard to control but furrrrn..

Hard to control is an understatement.

I know Clarkson, in his test drive, said the handling in this prototype was "unfinished". If you've ever read the review for a RenaultSport Clio V6, you'll know that the defining nature of that small hatchback with the mid-mounted V6 is that its when the driver spins the car, not if. And that was in production guise.

The Golf doesn't have that much longer a wheelbase than the Clio, and its got twice as much engine.

A car like that would make a great drag racer (all that weight over the rear wheels, and all that power in such a small vehicle) but they are not cornering machines.

[brent32]

Hard to control is an understatement.

I know Clarkson, in his test drive, said the handling in this prototype was "unfinished". If you've ever read the review for a RenaultSport Clio V6, you'll know that the defining nature of that small hatchback with the mid-mounted V6 is that its when the driver spins the car, not if. And that was in production guise.

The Golf doesn't have that much longer a wheelbase than the Clio, and its got twice as much engine.

A car like that would make a great drag racer (all that weight over the rear wheels, and all that power in such a small vehicle) but they are not cornering machines.

What a euro automotive industry lap dog like Clarkson thinks about Clio V6 isn't remotely related to nissans future product line up. Euro hot hatches are a joke compared to their japanese rivals in terms of performance.

If you believe clarkson the best car ever is the E type jag....mmmbullsh*t

[scathing]

What a euro automotive industry lap dog like Clarkson thinks about Clio V6 isn't remotely related to nissans future product line up. Euro hot hatches are a joke compared to their japanese rivals in terms of performance.

I wasn't referring to Clarkson's review of the Clio V6. I was referring to his review of the prototype Golf W12. The reviews of the Clio I were referring to are from evo in the UK, and Wheels / Motor in Australia.

And why the f**k are you having a crack at me? I wasn't the one who brought up the Golf W12 either, I was responding to someone who thought it'd be his dream hatch. WHy don't you learn to read before you reply, since its quite clear you're quick to jump to conclusions but slow to comprehend.

Oh yeah, and the constant bollocking Clarkson gave Rover (Britain's most mainstream car company) says "automotive lapdog", considering most of the employees blamed him personally for bankrupting the company with his constantly negative reviews. Not to mention his regular tirades against Vectras and most of the Vauxhall line-up.

Edited November 28, 2007 by scathing

[HotPlates]

Oh yeah, and the constant bollocking Clarkson gave Rover (Britain's most mainstream car company) says "automotive lapdog", considering most of the employees blamed him personally for bankrupting the company with his constantly negative reviews. Not to mention his regular tirades against Vectras and most of the Vauxhall line-up.

Clarkson is a joke so I don't know why anyone would take him seriously. He is a biased puppet purely for entertainments sake. It would be nice to see some car companies start sueing his ass for defamation (if possible) for the ridiculous negative comments (that he tries to hide behind quirky metaphors) that come out of his mouth at times. It's always a case of trying to find something wrong when in most cases there just isn't. Or they are so minute in reality, but blown out of proportion on the show. Stupid whinging Pom!

[scathing]

Its funny how one person is going on about how he's a puppet for car manufacturer's, and then someone else saying he's anti car manufacturer.

The guy's got no idea when it comes to cars (he reckons the Caparo T1 handles badly, even though the prototype was 9s faster around the TG test track than the next fastest car when you let a pro driver at it) but it is his job to be an entertainer. That's why Top Gear is so much more successful than Fifth Gear; people who don't like cars like watching it.

[R33GTS25]

Nissan are trying to take the GT-R name to the supercar level. Its like asking Bugatti to make a twin turbo v8 veyron instead of a quad turbo w16.

[Laurence]

Its funny how one person is going on about how he's a puppet for car manufacturer's, and then someone else saying he's anti car manufacturer.

The guy's got no idea when it comes to cars (he reckons the Caparo T1 handles badly, even though the prototype was 9s faster around the TG test track than the next fastest car when you let a pro driver at it

What does handling have to do with laptimes???

An understeering pig of an F1 car will beat the best handling road car, but the F1 car still has bad handling.

[LNG 33S]

It would be awesome to see Nissan produce a GT model R35! but like scathing said in the second post of this thread, Nissan wont do it! They are marketing the GTR as a exotic supercar! It would be like detuning a Bugatti Veyron! It would take away from the exclusiveness of the orginal!

Anyway.....my views on the R35 is that im not going to be able to afford one for a long long time! and by the time i could afford one(20 or 30 years) : A) i wont want one anymore, i will be old and senile and hate all the hoons that drive loud cars up and down my street lol, and B) it will be imposible to find one that still goes, looks, handles well!

my 2cents

[sneakey pete]

Isn't the v36 370GT effectively just that?

[OzLeroy]

I have a solution(hopefully not already mentioned):

370Z

BAM.

performance specs (taken directly from Edmunds insideline test/compare with BMW 135i, link below check it out):

0.97g skidpan

5.1 seconds to 60 mph (4.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and the quarter-mile in 13.4 seconds at 104.6 mph

braking from 60 mph= 101 feet ("Remember when a 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo with its $8,800 optional carbon-ceramic brakes brought that ultraexpensive car to a halt from 60 mph in just 103 feet?")

Price: a whisker below $30,000 US

Edmunds deemed this car better than the 135i...

Just add the twin turbs and ....

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...rticleId=137806

This is very tempting... But i'll still just keep and my 32 GTR....

[NickR33]

450Z would be niiiiice... how about a 450Z with supercharger a la ZR1 Corvette... in the new 370Z chassis of course... I know Roy would want one;)

[eeiko321]

There's too much of a gap between the infinti and the R35 GTR.

For most of us on this forum an inbetween version would suite us very well. Very few of us want an infiniti and most wont be able to afford an R35 GTR.

So I say Nissan, give us a 3.5/3.6/3.7 or a 3.8L single turbo version rear wheel drive.

i seriously disagree with you there.....

im glad nissan separated the GTR from Skyline......

cause if there is simillar ones.... there would be fags trying to mock up the GTR with badges and kits...

just like what people with lancers do to an EVO

a GT-R should just be a GT-R..... and next to no other.....not GTS, GTS-t, GT-T or watever the hell GST (Goods and services tax)

the R35 price will drop in several years just like the R34 GT-R....

[BARCODE]

The problem is that it would "devalue" the car to a lot of people, especially since this one is going to an international market where these things matter. People who throw down AUD$150K on a supercar don't want it to look like a cheapo model unless they've got some emotional response to it, and as we know otherwise intelligent people influenced by emotions don't need a good reason to do anything. After all, its what leads successful Australian businessmen (which you'd think required a fair amount of intelligence) to buy HSVs (which you'd think required a fair lack of intelligence).

The GT-R, outside of Japan and Australia, doesn't generate that same emotional response among people who can afford to buy them so it needs visual exclusivity to add to the appeal.

The only exception to this, that I can think of, are the BMW M cars. You needed to be an anorak to pick the difference between the E36 M3 and a 318is or an E34 525i from the M5 but both were still highly desired. However, in response to customer complaints that the cars were too subtle, the E46 M3 and E39 M5 picked up more visual aggression but aside from the quad exhausts out the back you'd still need to know what you were looking for to split them. So, once again, the E92 M3 and E60 M5 have moved further away from their Q-Car roots and BMW has dialled up the exterior again to differentiate the M cars.

If BMW can't get away with it, I very much doubt Nissan can.

Well put man.Right up there with the smartest most well informed comments I've read here in a long while.Especially the hsv point

[Mr_GaZZa]

noobz,

the 370z is the car in the middle!! +1 screw the GTS-T...

YOU ONLY NEED ONE TRUE LEGEND, NOT A WANNA BE MODEL!!

[Mr_GaZZa]

wait i know.. the people who cant afford insurance will be posting for a N/A versions nextt

Edited March 11, 2009 by Mr_GaZZa

[Amir]

i seriously disagree with you there.....

im glad nissan separated the GTR from Skyline......

cause if there is simillar ones.... there would be fags trying to mock up the GTR with badges and kits...

just like what people with lancers do to an EVO

a GT-R should just be a GT-R..... and next to no other.....not GTS, GTS-t, GT-T or watever the hell GST (Goods and services tax)

the R35 price will drop in several years just like the R34 GT-R....

I forgot that i even started this thread back in 2007. What the Fk was i thinking. An absolutely stupid idea.

Obviously i had nothing to do at 1.25pm on the 3rd of Nov 2007.

Edited March 11, 2009 by Amir

[simpletool]

Nissan are trying to take the GT-R name to the supercar level. Its like asking Bugatti to make a twin turbo v8 veyron instead of a quad turbo w16.

Actually more like Bugatti making a non-turbo Veyron - which they seriously considered. The one I took a picture of in their museum in Berlin in 2004 was non-turbo. Perhaps not such a bad idea they thought - but they figured better.

As for this R35 gtt - no way. But FI V36 Skyline is a great idea. You guys may laugh but I've always considered the turbo Skyline coupes to be Japan's M3. They don't have the badge but they are similar ideals.

Twin Turbo V36, running 7psi would give you about 250rwkw (factory tune). It wouldn't take much for them to spec some slightly thicker con-rods and pistons to bring the comp down 0.7 or so. Then take 500rpm off the top and add an oil cooler for reliability. But the price would have to increase at least 15k more like 20k.

So you're looking at $95 like it was mentioned earlier. For a 309kw, 500Nm car. Yep M3 chaser.

Which might I add would also be a lot easier on clutches, tyres and servicing than an R35.

Edited March 12, 2009 by simpletool

[scathing]

Twin Turbo V36, running 7psi would give you about 250rwkw (factory tune).

I'd want more than that, even at an OEM "safety margin" tune.

A VQ35DE blowing that kind of boost through most of the TT kits available on an internally stock motor makes 280-290rwkW, with a linear power delivery and good response all the way to the cutout. The APS kit is ADR legal, and a lot of guys are getting around daily driving them with the only necessary upgrades being an oil cooler and new clutch. In terms of drivability the thing delivers power like a stock S15....just over twice as much.

The VQ37HR flows better in the head, has stronger internals, and has more displacement. Assuming the fuel system is up to it, 320-340rwkW should not be a hard ask at half a bar with well matched turbos with an otherwise stock engine. Something like this setup, with a pair of HKS GT-RS' making 340rwkW at 8psi.

300rwkW in a more conservative tune shouldn't be a hard ask for the HR.

[zebra]

These ideas are all well and good about an FI 370z/v36 but the prob with doing such things are the emissions laws (euro4/5 etc)

which is why there is no more sr20, rb26, 2jz-gte, 5.7L ls1. they quite simply cannot pass the new emissions laws. so turbo charging an engine which is probably already close to the end of its life (The VQ has been around a while) which the VH37 is based off. is not economically viable for a manufacturer.

These reasons are why most super hi-po production cars only have limited number built, as thats all there allowed to build so they dont kill our atmosphere...or somthing like that...i read about it ages ago so cant quite recall the exact details

[OhNO]

Nissan are a smart bunch.. There is a reason the GT-R branding has been detached from the rest of the range. GT-R's have always been classified as a 'SUPERCAR' especially by enthusists and owners who like the thought of taking on a LAMBO for a margin of the price..

As a Skyline owner I realise that the popularity and abundance of such in Australia has caused Skylines as well as the GT-R up to the R34 to drop in value considerably while most other imports can hold better value. A few years ago my R33 Gtst was on sale for 15K or so, and I had a smart arse offer 10K, this goes to show people are not willing to spend on these cars as they are so common now.

Leave the GT-R alone it is a car in its own league.

I dont know about this blog. Ive actualy asked myself the same question but never actualy mentioned it to anyone..hehehe