'hoons Cars To Be Crushed'

[OzLeroy]

The NSW goverment has suggested that hoons cars may be crushed and the video posted on the internet as a method of detering them from street racing.

see:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/well-destroy-hoons-cars–and-video-it/2007/11/12/1194766541131.html

Is anyone else worried about what might happen when that dickhead who tries to drag you off the lights comes unstuck and plows onto a tree or worse into someone else?

Even if you have done nothing wrong, you are driving the import, your car looks different, sporty...

What do you think?

[GTAAAH]

I think it's stupid.. If the police were going to take possession of my val or my gtr to crush it i think i'd have a bodily spasm, and boot it off up the freeway, where inevitably i'd total it or be pit maneuvered.. or make it to mexico.. Laws like this do discourage "hoons" but.. on the other end of the scales, high speed pursuits are gonna increase alot when cops try to take the cars off "hoons" hands

[d00dz]

See this thread for many views and more details:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Ho...-F-t193202.html

[Basti]

i think its a repost

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Ho...-F-t193202.html

edit: beaten to it

[GTAAAH]

ohhh it's a NSW thing, phew... still seems more sensible to sell the cars and use the money to make better roads >.<

eh wat "Offenders would have to be convicted of street racing before the vehicles could be destroyed".. only once?!

I've had cops try pin street racing on me in my corolla next to my mates skyline ffs (my wheels slipped.. fwd sucks), 1 offence = broken car = sucks

Edited November 13, 2007 by GTAAAH

[gt-ahhh!]

The NSW goverment has suggested that hoons cars may be crushed and the video posted on the internet as a method of detering them from street racing.

this is an absolute joke. some peoples cars are worth what $30-40k+?? so effectively its a $30 000+ fine, not to mention the towing/impound/destruction fees they would charge on top of that... it would be much more productive to use a large fine to improve roads. but of course theyd probably spend it on more speed cameras instead.

i do not condone "street racing" by any means. but my definition of street racing is large organised contests, or drag racing on a busy road where civilian vehicles are involved. random traffic light drags in the middle of nowhere at 2am never hurt anyone and are perfectly safe considering they generally end at about 100-120ks anyway.

like someone else said, such a disproportionate punishment will only encourage people to attempt to evade pursuit. then what will happen? some innocent will be killed as a result, pursuits will be deemed dangerous and regularly called off, and that will further encourage hoons to chance their arm.

meanwhile, i still see dozens of people talking on phones, and drink driving. but i guess "hoons" are "anti-social" and must be stamped out first...

[GTAAAH]

this is an absolute joke. some peoples cars are worth what $30-40k+?? so effectively its a $30 000+ fine, not to mention the towing/impound/destruction fees they would charge on top of that... it would be much more productive to use a large fine to improve roads. but of course theyd probably spend it on more speed cameras instead.

i do not condone "street racing" by any means. but my definition of street racing is large organised contests, or drag racing on a busy road where civilian vehicles are involved. random traffic light drags in the middle of nowhere at 2am never hurt anyone and are perfectly safe considering they generally end at about 100-120ks anyway.

like someone else said, such a disproportionate punishment will only encourage people to attempt to evade pursuit. then what will happen? some innocent will be killed as a result, pursuits will be deemed dangerous and regularly called off, and that will further encourage hoons to chance their arm.

meanwhile, i still see dozens of people talking on phones, and drink driving. but i guess "hoons" are "anti-social" and must be stamped out first...

+1 for your definition, thats exactly what it is..

You can get done for street racing at the moment even if you don't exceed the speed limit but accelerate quickly to it ffs

[gt-ahhh!]

oh i forgot to add an interesting thought... what if the offending car isn't owned by the hoon?

ie: your car is registered in your mates name. and your mates car in your name.

they cant very well go and destroy a car someone else owns. stupid cops.

[OzLeroy]

+1 for your definition, thats exactly what it is..

You can get done for street racing at the moment even if you don't exceed the speed limit but accelerate quickly to it ffs

Really? I didn't know that. I think that really, REALLY rases the issue that the law could be abused, if it is witness vs witness (one invariably being a police officer). If this is the application of the law.

And the point of disproportionate punishment is a very interesting one. So if someone with a porshe or a holden GTS gets caught breaking the law in this manner, they will have their car crushed and effectively have a $100,000 fine. So the person in the beat up ol corrolla will get off very llightly indeed. Is it just me or are these people the ones who are breaking the law more often than not?

However I am generally in favour of means testing for fines etc, BUT it is the issue of someones property being destroyed that causes concern for me. A means tested (cash) fine would be more appropriate that way the fine is always going to be a suitable financial penalty.

And that was a good point about increasing the likelihood of dangerous police chases, I agree I think it is quite likely....probably more so for the person driving the porshe or otherwise fast car, which would ironically make the chase even more dangerous!

cheers for the thoughts, I do wonder whether the politicians have actually though about these things.

[GTAAAH]

Politicians only consider votes with things like these you'll probably find..

When i was pulled up the cop basically asked if i new the person in the skyline, asked why i was dragging him etc.. i was like "this is a corolla, im not in any hurry, i'm not trying to drag a sports car that'd be pointless, i didn't even go past 50 in a 60 zone, tyres are new so bit squeaky (it was a tiny bit of spin, i dropped the clutch a lil fast at about 3k revs) i got a verbal warning (which is honestly absolute bs.. i didn't even accelerate with my foot flat to the floor and it's a 4AFE 1.6 litre 91 model FFS) and was told next time i was caught "dragging" my car would be impounded.... idk if it was because i was on P's though or what

[GTS4WD]

If you commit break and enter.. do the police have the right to trash and steal out of your home?

If you shop lift.. is it fair for them to five finger discount your belongings?

If you commit arson.. do they burn down your house?

Personally.. I think its the biggest load of jizz in the world!.. I think its disgusting!

I remeber reading in an Autosalon Mag that in NSW, after the "no turbo, no charger, V8's, V6's" law came in, P plater accidents INCREASED!.. and wanna know why?

A performance car is a much safer car. Bigger brakes, better stability, traction etc. etc. etc.

Theres people that think, hay!.. I can speed in my 1989 Corrolla.. and its the same thing as doing it in a REX. And its just not the case.. these cars are SO scary at high speeds its a joke!.. You loose control far too easily and its quite hard to re-gain again.

I think "street racing" is a joke and brings a bad taste to modified car scene.

I just know if by some cop on a power trip or some wanna be hard arse "street racer" at the lights, my car happens to get crushed/confiscated.. I think id break down..

thats my 2c

[Bliksem]

Will it stop old mate in his $200 VL doing single leggers and thinking he's mark skaife?

No... Hardly much to loose really is there....

[nissanskyrice]

so very very wrong. as everyone has said its gonna cause more problems than it solves, its not the same fine for everyone and imports will be targeted because only people in imports are hoons. farkin wankers. if a cop tries to confiscate my car ill farkin kill the bastard where he stands, and thats a promise.

[bloodzkull]

well let's face it. it's stupid law and i sure a hell hope it doesn't get through. if i was put into that situation i would run. there's the small chance that they havn't seen your plates and let's face it. many skylines won't have a problem out running a skyline. let alone those of us with a gtr.

but that's just creating more danger as you will be going faster trying to run away than you are likely to whilst racing.

stuff it they can have the stripped out shell after it's been "stolen" and stripped. then hey wait all of a sudden i am a few grand richer with many good parts to either put in a new shell or sell off to pay for a better car.

[R33GTS25]

This surely will not go through, this will cause alot more problems than it solves.

[PJ.]

Have a listen to this Car crushing

It was on jjj yesterday. Fast forward to 8:00

[GTS4WD]

Have a listen to this Car crushing

It was on jjj yesterday. Fast forward to 8:00

Can you give us a run-down?

My audio is rooted..

Im with the above..

Take away my car..

not only am I not going to give it up without a fight..

not only is it UNJUST

not only is it a fine of what your car + mods is worth..

but is the serious Mc Shits your going to have for the next 6 months..

Because i dont think insurance is going to cover this..

I think its too ridiculous for it to be passed..

[smasha]

it's been defeated... too many financial institutons involved

[markimak]

over my dead body. i doubt they could do this anytime in the near future..

[LBR33]

Ok lets look at it from another angle.

Jimmy the street racer like most spends most of his $$ on his car one day he drifts around a street corner and spots a cop car videoing him and take after him, now he know that he will loose his licence and have his car crushed so he now has two choices:-

1-Pull over and have the keys over

2-Run and possibly loose the cops and put his car into hiding strip it and not loose the everything he has spent on his car.

It seems to me that the law would only create more high speed chases with drivers who have nothing too loose

Am i the only one which thinks the goverment seems to be edging closer and closer to Totalitarianism??