Whiteline Swaybars

[260tech]

the Whiteline 'adjustable' front and rear swaybars are one of the BEST mods you could do

well, I stick by that anyway....... an awesome upgrade IMO

edit: I use Bilstein shocks, standard springs, Whiteline adjustable swaybars, Whiteline front castor and rear pineapples

No body roll to speak of, great handling, very smooth ride, turn and point and accelerate

Same gear fitted on my 260 with reference to the above, kept my springs rather than those supplied but all the rest works good. My car is solid as on the road & throo the roundabouts. Couldn't be more satisfied.

235/40r18's Maxxis

Cheers GW

[Sydneykid]

Gary, Traction Tyres in Rowville did the alignment, i told them the settings you mentioned and mentioned your name, he knew of you and did it off of that... couldn't get enough of my rear camber out(still have -1), but he explained to me the dynamics of IRS and why i shouldn't go for less. I might try and change the front bar to the hardest setting now.

-Ryan

Hi Ryan, yep Andrew is a good guy, knows his stuff, I try and catch up whenever I am in Melbourne with the race team. The rear camber at 1.0 negative is fine, the recommend range for a road car is 0.75 to 1.25. Anymore than 1.25 and you end up with too much negative when you have rear seat passengers and/or fill up the load space or inm my case tow one of the race cars.

On my own Stagea I have the front bar on the middle setting and the rear bar on full hard. It hasn't got great tyres on it because it does so many k's and wears them out fast. It has no nervousness or high speed oversteer, which are signs of too much rear anti roll, so I am never concerend with having the rear bar up so high. I currently have more front toe out than usual in an attempt to overcome some of the low speed understeer, which it doesn't have on good tyres. But it is wearing the inside so I will have to pull some toe out of it.

Cheers

Gary

[_Ryan_]

Gary- My bars only have two settings. AlexCim has my new pads so when i fit them and my rotors i will put my front bar on the only other level, then after a week will do the rear.

Stasis- To compensate for the roads camber.

-Ryan

[STAGE1]

I have Whiteline springs. Whiteline swaybars front & rear and apart from the back one being a littel narrow i had now trouble in fitting them. Whiteline caster adjusters front. Front & rear camber adjusters Bilstein shocks all tested at QLD raceway. The car was lowed to 350 all round. The difference between standard setup and Whiteline Bilstein setup was a big step in the right direction. The car has less than half the body role (evident by the video footage and feel in the car) and was 2 seckonds a lap faster. It still has under stear on turn in but from mid corner to exit it is peddel to metal.

Swaybars in my opinion do littel to the suspension ( as in the ride of the vehicle) but have a big part in body role.

my 2 cents worth

phil

[_Ryan_]

did 1100km today, found some roads on a family friends private property, could do very decent corner speeds, not stiffening bars anymore as any stiffer on the front will understeer, any more on the rear will make it nervous, car seems okay, i need to get my braking smoother, couldnt make it as unsettled as it was the other day, easily had two outside wheels screeching, so would say this setup is the limit of the tyres for at speed corners, my driving needs work for technical stuff, as does my braking, but i had great turn in. going to get damper rates sorted once Matt or Gary gets springs in, then will go back to the bars. I found a bit of roll was beneficial for getting good turn inon the tighter stuff and stability at speed.

-Ryan

[leetom]

Gary- My bars only have two settings. AlexCim has my new pads so when i fit them and my rotors i will put my front bar on the only other level, then after a week will do the rear.

Stasis- To compensate for the roads camber.

-Ryan

i pretty sure whiteline sway bars on sk's group buy have 3 settings (mine have)

[260tech]

i pretty sure whiteline sway bars on sk's group buy have 3 settings (mine have)

Plus 1

[petrolfix]

went to a bloke who knows a bit about suspention and told my friend he could help her out. she got his address from a recent hill climb day. so i went over there with a friend of mine who was looking at whiteline sway bars for her laser. from what the guy was telling us whiteline offer a wide range of sway bars for all cars.

He was saying that the length from the end to the first bend play apart of how much anti roll you get.

Along with: Where the bars are ancored

The length

The thickness of the bar

How many bends are in it and how long they are (example. to go around the tailshaft or exsahust.)

These all play a criticle part on how the sway bar works. He also mentioned that swaybars don't do a hell of alot work side to side. but work more on the diagonals of your car. hence applying force to the left rear from the front right and then also transfering some over to the rear right.

He also said that whiteline and k-mac will both make custom sway bars to what directions you give them. this bloke had sett up alot of tarmac and dirt rally vehicles and he knew his stuff about suspension

hope some of this info makes you think a little more and ask more questions before you buy the bars.

[Raysboostin]

ive used whiteline swaybars on my 2 previous cars and helped fit a few others for mates and every time the whiteline bars were difficult to put in. (they never fitted anywhere near as good as stock). but in every case they always made a huge difference to body roll. biggest gain was on my mates supercharged lexus sc400 (factory airbag suspension). cornering performance at least doubled with the whiteline bars front and rear, prob more

[AlexCim]

ive used whiteline swaybars on my 2 previous cars and helped fit a few others for mates and every time the whiteline bars were difficult to put in. (they never fitted anywhere near as good as stock). but in every case they always made a huge difference to body roll. biggest gain was on my mates supercharged lexus sc400 (factory airbag suspension). cornering performance at least doubled with the whiteline bars front and rear, prob more

how exactly is cornering performance quantitatively measured as to conclude cornering performance "doubled"?

[stasis]

by the amnount of "feel" on how car leans?!

[petrolfix]

gotta love the good old reliable feelameter.

but i have no doubt that it actully feels better. we put whiteline swaybars in a familiar gtr (only avalible from whiteline)

and yes his car did handle better after and it started picking up wheels going in his drive.

[Duncan]

BTW just on the level of adjustment. The stiffness of the sway bar is based on how it acts on both wheels not just 1. So a 2 hole bars has 3 settings (1-1, 1-2, 2-1) and a 3 hole bar has 6 (1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-2, 2-3, 3-3).

[_Ryan_]

BTW just on the level of adjustment. The stiffness of the sway bar is based on how it acts on both wheels not just 1. So a 2 hole bars has 3 settings (1-1, 1-2, 2-1) and a 3 hole bar has 6 (1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-2, 2-3, 3-3).

interesting. I'm happy with the balance ATM, will let you guys know how my experiment turns out once its done

[Raysboostin]

how exactly is cornering performance quantitatively measured as to conclude cornering performance "doubled"?

im not talking anything highly technical. very much feelbased but it works like this.

not far from said friends place is a road with a 100km/h speed limit with a sharp corner on it. it has one of those yellow speed signs say 40km/h on it.

b4 swaybars the car struggled to make it round the corner at 40km/h. the tyres were losing grip with the road and the car would just about slide off the road.

then the bars were fitted.

1 day later same corner, same time of day, same driver, same corner entry speed and nothing changed with the car but the bars. the car could now take the corner easily at 80km/h very flat and no hint lost grip. i say prob more as he didnt wanna push it past that cos there wasnt enough room on the outside of the corner to stop the car from that speed should he lose control.

we were kinda hoping for a big gain, as the rear bar they sent (from memory)was nearly twice as heavy as the stock rear one(i think it was hollow). we weighed them on the digital scales at his work out of curiousity, cant remember the weights it was a while ago.

as i said its not scientific but IMO it gets the point across.it is very much based on feel tho