Things That Are And Arent Engineerable

[BallSx]

Hey guys,

ive been wondering wat is wat wen it comes to getting defected and called the rta who patched me thru to the epa, i spoke to the tech officer and he was a great help, now he said that police act on certain things differently delending on theyre knowledge, so here is some answers i got to some questions.

most of these things are engeerable but will not stop u from getting defected for them again, hence i wrote not enineerable, for example, u will get defected again for a ebc, ecu even though theyve passed, but u wont get defected again for fmic that has been passed

*screamer 300 fine defect no points will be asked for emmissions test

*atmo bov $2 - 300, points involved and defect notice

*pod always defectable, even if inclosed because increased induction noise fine noise polution $200 have to put stok box to pass

*cat, starts at 300 up to 33000, u will get takin to courte depending on circumstances

*adjustable ecu not engineerable have to get emmission test done

*intercooler no fine, immissions test, legal for eva, engineers with emissions

*zaust, noise polution, noise test

*turbo timer is ok

*oil catch can yes aslong as not atmo

*high mount turbo yes as long as emmisions approved

*fuel and internal upgrades ok as long as emmissions

***things that arent engineerable are adjustable fuel reg, adjustable ebc, adjustable boost contoller, screamer, cat, pod, nething atmo, as for engine stuff and nething adjustable.

*A pilla boost guage is not legal, jdm spec models are not australian models, non safety for head crash

u can always get defected even though u have engineering certificate, some engineers are bodgy, u can get asked for epa test 1 week later cause there is no saying it passed on less mods so to speak.

wat was recommended is a emmissions test with engineers report so wen they look it over and dnt see nething extra they might think its ok, been done b4, **me ill take some pics of everything with the reports**

i said the only thing that sux is that 1k for engineer report and still can get defected, is there a way to do so by seeing rta, epa and having them pass engineerable items, he said no.

also said it sux with emmission because a diferent batch of fuel can end up stuffing it all up and cost another 1k to fix

i will find out later wat u can be issued later for a red and yellow sticker for

[JAS-25T]

I just got a headache from trying to read that.

one thing to note - turbo timer is not legal in NSW. Because it is illegal to leave your car running while you are not in the vehicle. And even if you sit in the vehicle until the timer has finished (which defeats the purpose of having one) you *COULD* technically be charged with intent to do the above.

*Note* I have never heard of anyone being charged for this, or fined, or anything else, but it is possible, just not enforced from my experience.

So that takes the only thing that was ok off the list.

[SECURITY]

Because it is illegal to leave your car running while you are not in the vehicle. And even if you sit in the vehicle until the timer has finished (which defeats the purpose of having one) you *COULD* technically be charged with intent to do the above.

when they run out of money they'll start giving fines for it.

as for the engineering certificate, it depends on what kind of cop you get. if he wants to be a prick he'll defect you anyway. if he knows what hes doing - he'll just go through the list and make sure it all still complies (i.e. he makes sure you didnt get an engineering certificate for a different setup).

[D3bb4]

I didn't get points off for atmo BOV...

[GTL05T]

*pod always defectable, even if inclosed because increased induction noise fine noise polution $200 have to put stok box to pass

is the above true :S i thought as long as the pod has enclosure then its not defectable...i have mine enclosed properly, nothing dodgy. Where did you get this info from? & fk 200 fine!!! :S

[BallSx]

*pod always defectable, even if inclosed because increased induction noise fine noise polution $200 have to put stok box to pass

is the above true :S i thought as long as the pod has enclosure then its not defectable...i have mine enclosed properly, nothing dodgy. Where did you get this info from? & fk 200 fine!!! :S

yea i know i thought the same, its not passable because it increases the induction noise and what not,

as for the turbo timer, there is no fine to give out to that as for defect or epa or rta.

and bov, if u get taken to epa and they see u there with a atmo bov, the epa will say to the cop fine and points.

i got all this info from a epa tech officer.

Edited December 4, 2007 by BallSx

[Abo Bob]

All this obsession with emissions yet we only just signed the Kyoto Protocol.

[Taleb Tyres]

im pretty sure if the box is engineered then its ok, otherwise its illegal,

this is coming from trying to pass a fully enclosed pod,

and other members are going through this problem right now(engineered box still not passing EPA inspection)

Also illegal off the top of my head are any exhaust tampering device, ie Apexi EVC,

Spacers and adaptors, even bolt ons.

coloured lights, ie parkies

front intercooler must have mesh and front bar must not be altered to fit it.

[D3bb4]

Thas shit.

Hide the POD and hope for the best. They aren't allowed to remove box, etc. Put a nissan sticker on it legally they can't open up anything thas stock/would affect opperation of the car. Paint it black and put nissan sticker on it and say is stock

Sounds shit, but spose is the way it is. Technically; cars compliant with Australian Design Rules (ADR) are legal. End of story. But they have to be certified by an engineer to say they are. I dunno if emissions is a different story; but there's gotta be some decent guidelines to follow.

[FATAZZ]

are trucks going to get done for having turbo timers?

[d00dz]

I heard owning any car is a fineable offence too.

4 Wheeled Tricycles FTW!!!!!!!

[DECIM8]

A general rule is anything non stock is defectable.. Depends on the cop I thought.. And if your an ass too..

BOV is illegal and technically expels exhaust gases before the cat, so its obviously illegal for a reason.

And turbo timers are legal in a distance of 1 meter of your car... so if you walk more than 1 meter away from the vehicle your able to be fined.

[saliya]

Hey guys,

ive been wondering wat is wat wen it comes to getting defected and called the rta who patched me thru to the epa, i spoke to the tech officer and he was a great help, now he said that police act on certain things differently delending on theyre knowledge, so here is some answers i got to some questions.

*pod always defectable, even if inclosed because increased induction noise fine noise polution $200 have to put stok box to pass

The EPA guy is wrong. The rule is not "must do what EPA says"; the rule is "must be compliant with ADRs".

Compliance with the relevant ADRs is what an engineer determines when they assess your car for any

non-owner-approvable modification. In this situation, the engineer is the expert. Not the police, not the EPA, and

not some clown on a forum (me!)

So on to "noise" - basically, if a car's older than Jan 2005 ADR 28 is applicable; if it's newer, then ADR 83 applies.

ADR 83 is tighter on emissions and compliance with ADR 83 means automatic compliance with ADR 28.

There's some argument that a pod will also change exhaust emissions levels (ADR 79) but we'll leave

that alone for the moment. The EPA guy's argument is that a pod WILL increase noise; and so

be non-compliant - but "will" is a very strong word. The key thing to remember here is that the engineer

is not measuring for the presence or lack of a pod; they are measuring for excessive noise levels as

determined by the relevant ADR.

Yes, any police officer can issue any defect they like for non-compliance; engineering papers can not protect you from that.

What the engineering papers do is say that in the opinion of the registered Signatory, the car is ADR-compliant as of the date on the papers.

What the defect notice does is say that in the opinion of the inspecting officer, the car is not compliant (they will list reasons).

If you have the papers, and the car is unchanged since the date of the papers, the police will most likely

leave things alone even if they think that something is out of order. The question is "who has the greater authority

to determine compliance" and the ranking order is "engineer, EPA test station/officer, police officer, you".

If you have papers, you hold the Aces; if you don't, you have Jacks

You will still have to pass what I call the d1ckhead test (are you a d1ckhead or not?); but that's applicable

whether your car is modified or stock. Do not use your engineering papers to attempt to bypass the test

because they have little to no bearing on it - and the higher your d1ckhead ranking, the higher the chance

that an officer will try to find something to ruin your day.

You can access all the ADRs at

http://www.ditrdlg.gov.au/roads/motor/design/adr_online.aspx

Regards,

Saliya

[D3bb4]

You will still have to pass what I call the d1ckhead test (are you a d1ckhead or not?); but that's applicable

whether your car is modified or stock. Do not use your engineering papers to attempt to bypass the test

because they have little to no bearing on it - and the higher your d1ckhead ranking, the higher the chance

that an officer will try to find something to ruin your day.

You forgot to add that the cop can also be a d1ckhead... and that has similar consequences to that if you were...

[MRGTR911]

I got done big time for EPA AND RTA DEFECTS, Thank god its all over now i hope papers were sent yesterday to the DECC Im waiting for there call to tell me its all cleared ..

Just some advice if you ever get pulled up just hope its a Cop ecause they dont know there head from the asses , The EPA Inspectors however will get you for everything And Anything .....

I have also Kept all my emissions Papers Defect papers so if i ever get pulled up By cops i can stick it all in there faces to let them know i have been there done that and not to waste my time.. If anyone every needs any help with any defecting i can offer my advice...

[Abo Bob]

Good post Saliya.

BOV is illegal and technically expels exhaust gases before the cat, so its obviously illegal for a reason.

You mean ATMO BOV but no. It only expels compressed air which is what makes it hard for people to understand why it should be defectable.

The reason it is defectable is due to emissions. Ie, the AFM has measured the air going into the engine and the based on this the ECU tells the injectors how much fuel to put in but if the BOV vents then that air wont go in but the fuel will hence high emissions for a split second.

I don't know how this would work or apply to cars with MAP sensors but that's how I understand it to work with AFM's.

[D3bb4]

Atmo BOV's are illegal due to noise emissions afaik. Think about it: increased induction noise can be classed as illegal... how much noise does a BOV make

[DECIM8]

Ahhh I see, my bad.. Cheers

[BallSx]

i agree with abo bob, atmo bovs dnt work to well with the emission, as for map sensors, it will be alot harder to pass epa because the map sensor calculates air fuel ratios to my understanding... thats y u can still drive ur car when ur cooler pipe comes off. so in the rta epa and police eyes, nething atmo is illegal and not engineerable no matter wat. theres no saying y u can get a ebc engineered and the epa say its not legal no matter wat.. so if u do have a something defected for that is engineered, than i advice to take it to court, because u have the rta and epa, 2 government paid businesses whith both theyre laws cconflicting each others. they should be on the same level.

the thing that gets me the most is a inclosed pod filter. that honestly bothers me. as for the screamer, i dnt mind the 300 fine as everyone used to say 1500 10k or 15 k :s

Edited December 5, 2007 by BallSx

[s13_Skyline_inside]

BOV is illegal and technically expels exhaust gases before the cat, so its obviously illegal for a reason.

pretty sure your talking about a vent to atmo wastegate in this instance and not a BOV

so what exactly do you have to do to make your car legal? who do you take it to?

take to engineer first, then take to epa and get a cert from them as well?