Waggon Off

[ausis]

A mate of mine who has a 2004 SS waggon and myself will be having a Waggon Off at Quit Motorplex on the 19th Dec. Had a bit of a chat with John and Chuckie at the Cruise last night and I would like to extend the invitation to all other WA Stagea owners. Everyone is wellcome but might be a bit far to come from East and North etc. Will be seeing what the MN35 can do down the quater. The only engine mods to my car are 3" exhaust from turbo back and pod air filter. Have no Idea what it will do, just want to "SMOKE" Pete in his Crapadoor SS . Be great to see a few other Stageas down there.

Perth Motorplex

Cnr Anketell & Rockingham Roads

KWINANA BEACH WA 6167

Gates open at 5pm for racers.

All you need to compete is a roadworthy (unlicenced ok) muffled Street Car or Bike and clothing requirements as below;

Road worthy closed cars (Sedans/Utes etc) Min clothing, a helmet and long sleeves, long pants and enclosed footware.

Road worthy open cars (convertibles/roadsters) slower than 12.99 seconds (1/4mile)/8.50 (1/8mile). Min clothing, a helmet leather jacket or bike jacket with appropriate inserts, full face helmet and visor full leather gloves long pants and shoes and socks.

Road worthy open cars (convertibales/roadsters) faster than 12.99 seconds (1/4mile)/8.50 (1/8mile). As per ANDRA rules ie: roll cage, arm restraints, harness, etc

All Motorcycle riders need a recognised riding jacket with appropriate protection inserts, or leather riding jacket, long pants ankle length boots full leather motorcycle riding gloves as minimum or preferably full bike riding leathers.

All drivers and riders must hold or have held a civil drivers licence.

Please note under 18's must have parents consent to race

Competitor Entry 5pm

Spectator Entry 5.30pm

Competitor entry closes 7pm (or 180 entries)

Drag Competitors Non ANDRA Licence Holders$40.00

ANDRA Licence Holders$35.00

Spectators Adults $15.00 Concession Not Applicable Children (5-15yrs)$8.00 Children (under 5)FREE Family (2+3) $38.00

http://www.motorplex.com.au/ For more infomation.

Edited December 9, 2007 by ausis

[Appealing]

Yep c'mon everybody..... nows the time... put up or shut up as they say!!

You probably don't have to worry 'bout coming last, I think that spot may be reserved for me....(dead std drive train)....

Maybe time to change that!

It'll be a good night (as long as it doesn't rain like nearly every other Wednesday!!).

[chuckie]

Great work Karl look forward to that,NO chance of me racing.but definately will come down & cheer the STAGEA`S ON :PBJ:,See what i can do about the WEATHER ON THAT WEDNESDAY .I HOPE TO SEE SOME SO CALLED STAGEA`S OWNER`S ROCK UP ????.SO COME ON DOWN & HAVE A LAUGH & JOKE,Good stuff Karl hanging out dude.chuckie.

[pixel8r]

A mate of mine who has a 2004 SS waggon and myself will be having a Waggon Off at Quit Motorplex on the 19th Dec. Had a bit of a chat with John and Chuckie at the Cruise last night and I would like to extend the invitation to all other WA Stagea owners. Everyone is wellcome but might be a bit far to come from East and North etc. Will be seeing what the MN35 can do down the quater. The only engine mods to my car are 3" exhaust from turbo back and pod air filter. Have no Idea what it will do, just want to "SMOKE" Pete in his Crapadoor SS . Be great to see a few other Stageas down there.

unfortunately I think with only an exhaust (which will raise your peak boost to about 9-10psi?) you may be disappointed against a SS wagon. With the s1's and s2's it seems to take at least 160awkw and then some to get anywhere close to a SS sedan and I imagine the wagon isn't much heavier.

I'm no fan of holden v8's btw, but they are a solid performing engine and the only performance advantage our stagea's have when stock is that they are AWD, so you'll "smoke" him in the wet but not in the dry. Not that its "hard" to beat a stock SS - a stock Autech (s1 or s2) would have no trouble at all

Still, you do have a chance so go and show them our wagons are capable of

[chuckie]

G`DAY Steve Karl has a MN35 so i think he might sneek home ???,Don`t want to see ss with a win light.chuckie.

[ausis]

unfortunately I think with only an exhaust (which will raise your peak boost to about 9-10psi?) you may be disappointed against a SS wagon. With the s1's and s2's it seems to take at least 160awkw and then some to get anywhere close to a SS sedan and I imagine the wagon isn't much heavier.

I'm no fan of holden v8's btw, but they are a solid performing engine and the only performance advantage our stagea's have when stock is that they are AWD, so you'll "smoke" him in the wet but not in the dry. Not that its "hard" to beat a stock SS - a stock Autech (s1 or s2) would have no trouble at all

Still, you do have a chance so go and show them our wagons are capable of

He may win he may not I'm hoping for the latter. Be a shiite load of fun which ever comes first.

5.7L V8 against a 2.5L turbo V6. Both close to the same wieght. I'll Just have to lose a bit of wieght off my own ass between now and then. See iff that makes a difference.

Hope to see a few more Stag's down there on the 19th.

[Stinky Rooster]

G`DAY Steve Karl has a MN35 so i think he might sneek home ???,Don`t want to see ss with a win light.chuckie.

Hey Chuckie - how about a lift??

I will don the bibs and come down for a look

*runs off to price 50hp NOS kits for pulsars*

[Wildcat]

Think it might be close ...from our experience yesterday with a VS SS in Brett's Blackie once we hit 3rd it was all over for the three dudes in the VS SS, Brett slowed down and they gave us the thumbs up and a huge smile...i think they were impressed that a wagon had outdone them:) either that or he was completely p!ssed that some unknown car had kicked his Trev butt

*note this was of course on private property*

Can someone take video of it so we can all see how it goes or lots of photos

Edited December 9, 2007 by Wildcat

[ant0ny]

Great idea.

Would be good if you could get a Liberty Wagon or 2 to blow away as well... very keen to see the results of this.

Antony

[ssshonky]

hmm I think the SS might munch your ass - but go down kicking and screaming I saY !

[pixel8r]

Think it might be close ...from our experience yesterday with a VS SS in Brett's Blackie once we hit 3rd it was all over for the three dudes in the VS SS, Brett slowed down and they gave us the thumbs up and a huge smile...i think they were impressed that a wagon had outdone them:) either that or he was completely p!ssed that some unknown car had kicked his Trev butt

*note this was of course on private property*

Can someone take video of it so we can all see how it goes or lots of photos

Dont mean to ruin it for you but there was a big difference between the Gen3 (VT and later?) SS's and older ones. Even today's stock executive model V6's could probably beat some of the pre-gen3 v8's.

The most they had was around 220kw at the flywheel so its still a nice win for your stag, but the newer SS's are more like 260kw so the stag would need to find an extra 40kw from somewhere and still keep the low-mid range power. Like I said before, its not that hard to do with mods, but in the case of ausis's MN35, with just an exhaust and a touch more boost than stock its not looking good.

My car would have ~250kw at the flywheel at the moment and given the right conditions (cold ambient temps etc) I would probably have a chance but it'd still be iffy. I could be wrong but I think the outside temps make more difference to turbo cars than non-turbo. So if its cold your car might go really well and win, but if its hot it may fall way behind, whereas the v8 will not be as affected either way...

someone mentioned weather before...actually if they'll still run the drag in the rain, then that is by far your best bet. you'd leave him spinning his wheels on the starting line while your car will have almost the same acceleration as in the dry. AWD FTW!!!

Edited December 10, 2007 by pixel8r

[Stinky Rooster]

I think its going to come down to the driver skills myself - the Gen3 motor is notoriously low on torque in the lower rev range, which means he will either have to flash stall the converter, or feed in a gutoad of revs and ride the clutch off the line, either way, balancing that with a (usually) slippery wednesday night track its going to be quite demanding keeping a commonwhore wagon on track.

Can't wait to see it either way.

[Topkart R33]

Been against a Vt SS sedan and a road bike (all legit and private land) and left the SS for dead.....Roadbike was close, he got me in the end

P.S Should be a good nite for all involed!! Enjoy....

Edited December 10, 2007 by Topkart R33

[ausis]

Forgot to mention the large greedy front mount. Don't know if that will make the difference.

Either way I can see a few engine mods going in not to long after this. Need to convince the wife that its something I need not want LOL. Thats going to be the hardest part

[joe26f]

*starts doin an Indian rain dance for all the Stagea owners*

[pixel8r]

Forgot to mention the large greedy front mount. Don't know if that will make the difference.

Either way I can see a few engine mods going in not to long after this. Need to convince the wife that its something I need not want LOL. Thats going to be the hardest part

You're probably not running enough boost for the front mount to be any more efficient than the stock one. Still, it could make a slight difference. Do they come with a front or side mount as standard?

Usually with our older stageas, going from the standard side mount to a front mount means using more piping to make the distance, which also means slightly more lag. Not that much but if you're still running stockish boost levels it may be noticeable.

Why not pick up a turbotech manual boost controller? Very cheap and will allow you to set boost at 10psi (or whatever you want) and will spool up quicker than the stock setup (assuming the stock setup is similar to s1 & s2 stageas). you'd need a boost guage as well in order to set it up. If your turbo is the same as the RB25 one, then you'll want to keep boost at 10psi or lower.

oh, and make sure your air pod has adequate heat shielding if it doesn't already cos with no heat shielding it'll perform worse than with the stock airbox and panel filter...the engine bay gets very hot so you'll need to make sure its sucking cold air from outside the car.

Edited December 11, 2007 by pixel8r

[ausis]

You're probably not running enough boost for the front mount to be any more efficient than the stock one. Still, it could make a slight difference. Do they come with a front or side mount as standard?

Usually with our older stageas, going from the standard side mount to a front mount means using more piping to make the distance, which also means slightly more lag. Not that much but if you're still running stockish boost levels it may be noticeable.

Why not pick up a turbotech manual boost controller? Very cheap and will allow you to set boost at 10psi (or whatever you want) and will spool up quicker than the stock setup (assuming the stock setup is similar to s1 & s2 stageas). you'd need a boost guage as well in order to set it up. If your turbo is the same as the RB25 one, then you'll want to keep boost at 10psi or lower.

oh, and make sure your air pod has adequate heat shielding if it doesn't already cos with no heat shielding it'll perform worse than with the stock airbox and panel filter...the engine bay gets very hot so you'll need to make sure its sucking cold air from outside the car.

The NM35 have a front mount as standard. Not a very big one half the size of what is there now. I have noticed alot less lag than previous with the standard set up. Very easy to mount the new intercooler all the piping is already in the right place so very simple mod.

It feels like it wants more though in the boost department.

Where do I find a manual boost controler in Perth quickly. Time to Google.

Hate to start cheeting against my friend but with 2.5L against 5.7L I need every bit of advantage I can. Do not want to see him win I will never here the end of it LOL. But then on the other side if I do win oll Pete will never live it down.

Thanks for the tips.

[MRO]

manual boost controllers can be bought from the following perth stores: Auto-one, repco, c-red, x speed, rotormotion, etc. If you have to pay more than $50 and it takes you more than 20 minutes to install you are doing something wrong.

Good luck - might need to wind up about 15psi to have a chance.

[pixel8r]

The NM35 have a front mount as standard. Not a very big one half the size of what is there now. I have noticed alot less lag than previous with the standard set up. Very easy to mount the new intercooler all the piping is already in the right place so very simple mod.

It feels like it wants more though in the boost department.

Where do I find a manual boost controler in Perth quickly. Time to Google.

Hate to start cheeting against my friend but with 2.5L against 5.7L I need every bit of advantage I can. Do not want to see him win I will never here the end of it LOL. But then on the other side if I do win oll Pete will never live it down.

Thanks for the tips.

You dont even need to win. Even if its a close drag it would be a nice result IMO

Edited December 12, 2007 by pixel8r

[Appealing]

Mostly Bump....

but I wonder who that woman was I saw in an S1 on Beeliar Drive, that drove so sedately behind me. Then at the roundabout comes up besides me and boots it.... errr like it still had a stock system and didn't go too well.... I restrained myself... she didn't even acknowledge us.... I think that she might have been serious!! If you're out there.... Motorplex... Wednesday..... the street is not for racing... especially with kids in the car.

Then I saw another (white) S2 Stagea when I turned at the lights of Gateways S/C... beeped but no acknowledgement.... 2 in less than 5 mins.... they are getting so common!!

So c'mon guys lets have a show of hands.... or better just a show of Stagea's.