How Is The R35 Gt-r So Fast?

[scathing]

  izataskyrine? said:

This is the first japanese car that truelly goes beyond the 206kw barrier

Ironically, the first Japanese car to have a higher than 280ps published engine output was some people carrier. I can't remember which one.

[dangerous_daveo]

Maybe nissan pulled out the semi slick trick again? (runs off to put on fire suit)

Nissan have seemed to just go after the 911 turbo. I dont get it.

Edited December 15, 2007 by dangerous_daveo

[pixel8r]

I think everyone is forgetting some things about acceleration.

Firstly, the kw figure is MAX kw, which wont make that much difference when talking about 0-100km/h times, and more difference when talking about 1/4 mile times.

The acceleration has a lot to do with torque (which determines how quickly it reaches max kw), gear ratios, diff ratios, and also weight, and the rubber on the tires.

The porsche happens to be better on torque, reaching 620 nm by just 1950rpm, but this still doesn't tell us enough.

Some engines rev higher and more quickly than others, so there's no telling if the porsche will reach 1950rpm before the GTR reaches its max torque at 3200rpm.

Anyway, my guess is that the diff ratio and gear ratios of the GTR are set up for much faster acceleration than the porsche. Nissan traditionally use very high diff ratios and this could be getting the GTR off the line quicker than the porsche. Higher diff ratio means the engine revs quicker/wheels turn quicker, and the turbo is on boost quicker.

Either way, it doesn't really matter which is better in a straight line. I seriously doubt the two cars are in the same market and will attract the same buyers. The Nissan is quicker on a circuit due to a better AWD system and better handling/quicker cornering, and yet at the end of the day, people who want a porsche will buy a porsche, and people who want a GTR will buy a GTR. I dont think there are too many porsche buyers who would consider buying a nissan, and vice versa.

[Dani Boi]

A little thing called better engineering!!

[GD51LA]

i think someone (with patience) should find out how much quicker the gtr shifts than the porche. then times that number with amount of shifts the gtr does around the nuburg. when you add that up minus that from the gtr's time.

i think thats why the manual was'nt brought out right now??

maybe a manual r35 gtr wont beat the porche 911 around the track??

anyway its a GREAT car just like all the rest of the gtr's

[nemz]

just imagine when the v-spec comes out which should be a fair bit lighter, being a 2 seater and carbon fibre trim as far as i have heard

[dangerous_daveo]

  pixel8r said:

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Either way, it doesn't really matter which is better in a straight line. I seriously doubt the two cars are in the same market and will attract the same buyers. The Nissan is quicker on a circuit due to a better AWD system and better handling/quicker cornering, and yet at the end of the day, people who want a porsche will buy a porsche, and people who want a GTR will buy a GTR. I dont think there are too many porsche buyers who would consider buying a nissan, and vice versa.

Its aimed directly at the 911 turbo buying market. They are compairing every single thing on the car do the 911 turbo. The marketing ploy is to sell it for half the price, which is basically the value of the porsche badge.

Another thing is, have nissan just gone out of their way to beat the porka on the ring? As in, it will beat it on the ring, but no other track, as thats all nissan went after, as thats what the marketing department said to do. (obviously the race cars are a different story, they arent the same car)

[izataskyrine?]

  dangerous_daveo said:

Another thing is, have nissan just gone out of their way to beat the porka on the ring? As in, it will beat it on the ring, but no other track, as thats all nissan went after, as thats what the marketing department said to do. (obviously the race cars are a different story, they arent the same car)

They tested it on other tracks too, like laguna seca. Also i have seen times for the 997 Turbo around tsukuba. It gets a 1:04, thile the GT-R gets a 1:03.

To put this into perspective a mclaren f1 also gets a 1:03

[hrd-hr30]

  dangerous_daveo said:

Its aimed directly at the 911 turbo buying market. They are compairing every single thing on the car do the 911 turbo. The marketing ploy is to sell it for half the price, which is basically the value of the porsche badge.

Another thing is, have nissan just gone out of their way to beat the porka on the ring? As in, it will beat it on the ring, but no other track, as thats all nissan went after, as thats what the marketing department said to do. (obviously the race cars are a different story, they arent the same car)

call me a cynic but I suspect NISSAN's marketing dept also 'engineered' their performance figure CLAIMS to be just a bit faster than the Porsche 911 turbo, which isn't their flagship performance car anyway. The only actual test so far got 4.0sec 0-100 which is slower than the Porsche.

  izataskyrine? said:

They tested it on other tracks too, like laguna seca. Also i have seen times for the 997 Turbo around tsukuba. It gets a 1:04, thile the GT-R gets a 1:03.

To put this into perspective a mclaren f1 also gets a 1:03

I call bullshit. where are you getting these figures from? what gumby was driving it?

McLaren F1

467kW/630bhp

650Nm/480 ft-lbs

1140kg

laws of physics are not on the GTR's side. GTR has over 100kw less power and well over 500kg more weight to lug around!

[sewid]

The McLaren driver probably stopped for an espresso half way through the lap.

[Marlin]

Sanity would preclude mentioning ANY Nissan GTR in the same breath as McLaren F1.

[izataskyrine?]

Mclaren F1 - Tsukuba Time Attack

EDIT: Actually i was wrong the Mclaren F1 gets a 1:04:62, so its actually SLOWER than the new GT-R

Edited December 17, 2007 by izataskyrine?

[JieLine]

For some reason in that clip, it didnt seem like he was pushing it to its limits... Maybe its just me

[hrd-hr30]

  izataskyrine? said:

Mclaren F1 - Tsukuba Time Attack

EDIT: Actually i was wrong the Mclaren F1 gets a 1:04:62, so its actually SLOWER than the new GT-R

yep, dud driving. how many mis-shifts? And certainly wasn't very agressive picking up the throttle. it looked alot higher and softer than I would have expected too! and talk about pitching under brakes! yuck.

not really surprising that it wasn't being pushed too hard with them being made in such small numbers. I'm sure the owner gave strict instructions not to bend his irreplaceable car.

Edited December 17, 2007 by hrd-hr30

[scathing]

  hrd-hr30 said:

yep, dud driving. how many mis-shifts? And certainly wasn't very agressive picking up the throttle. it looked alot higher and softer than I would have expected too! and talk about pitching under brakes! yuck.

Its funny, but a couple of people (some who can drive, some who can't) have criticised the Mac One's handling. Apparently its floaty at high speed, and does roll around a bit.

[rb30gtr]

  sewid said:

The McLaren driver probably stopped for an espresso half way through the lap.

hahaha quote of the thread... :laughing-smiley-014:

[swanny180]

Yeah looked like pretty average driving, 3 or 4 miss-shifts in the lap?

[dangerous_daveo]

Back to the DSG gearbox maybe having something to do with it... Obviously not the same cars, but it is a good example.

  Quote

The Golf R32 is a true sprinter. Coupled with a slick 6-speed manual transmission, the V6 engine takes the R32 from 0-100 km/h in a stunning 6.5 seconds. The R32 can also be equipped with the optional 6-speed Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG), which allows super-swift gear changes achieving 0-100km/h in just 6.2 seconds.

So thats 0.3 of a second just do 100kmh. Going around a 22km track, thats got to add up to a lot.

[DOGBOX]

Having owned a 03 996TT for a good part of 3 years and driven it as it was supposed to, its clear why Nissan is making its comparison. Engineering brilliance. The TT is a formidable car, rightly so due to its cost, but it is truly a liveable supercar, that can be driven day in day out, and thrashed at the track on the weekend without being upset. In today's market its all about compromise. The 997 is still awaiting a true DSG gearbox, which is something porsche engineered in the early 70's but its weight has been the biggest issue. I know im patiently waiting for a vspec version to be released....or pick up a second hand 997gt2 in 18months time

The GTR is the new affordable true supercar without doubt.

v-spec vs gt2, now THATS a battle worth watching out for!!!!!!