Subaru's Wrx And Mitsui's Evo Are A Cheap Imitation...

[Flynnn]

... of Ford Escort Cosworth and the legendary Ford Sierra RS... Subaru and Mitsubishi are so smart that they build a worthy imitation nearly as good as the cosworths 20 yrs later

British Engineering at its best

[stolen_s15]

The wasteland would be a better plae to post such dribble.

[Jamezilla]

You should spend less time eating kippers down the rub-a-dub and more time reading history books...

[djr81]

Cough, what would the Stig say to that?

[R-SPEC]

where did they all get it from?....

[djr81]

  R-SPEC said:

where did they all get it from?....

I agree, but there is probably a transverse vs longitudinal engine installation argument. You could reasonably argue the Audi arrangment is a bit of a blind alley.

Also who is that twat from top gear?

[Flynnn]

Rubbish.

Lancia 4WD was introduced roughly the same time around when Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth got into production, both turbocharged.

Dick Johnson with his Sierra was leading the bathurst, ahead of Mark Skaife in his Nissan GTR, despite the fact that Sierra is a mere 4 cylinder and the GTR obviously with a RB26.

[ras1983]

^^

Too bad Skaife's GTR won both the 91 and 92 bathursts.

In 92, Skaife and Richards were leading the whole way up until the infamous crash, so IMO they deserved to get the win.

[saff_cossie]

Good man

Prefer the aesthetics of the sierra though (see below)

Having grown up with these cars and even having the original sales literature from 1988 for the sierra cosworth, these cars are what forms my basis of opinion (sierras more so than escorts) on the 32 GTR in the other thread. These cars were formiddable and can certainly rattle a few people still. A guy from my home town has the fastest sapphire cosworth in the world at just over 200mph so there is no doubt they are animals. Mine was only about 270bhp but enough to enjoy.

Sadly though these cars, even the youngest bar a few exceptions is about 10 years old now and require a fair bit of cash thrown at them to keep them in good nick.

I have stacks of Ford and Cosworth magazines, brochures, pics etc so if you want to test your knowledge, let me know

BTW - You have posted a German one on Rondells and the original sales brochure image. Couldnt you at least find an English one!

[Do-Luck]

That Lancia is porn. I'd love one of those!

[Al]

  Barbarian said:

Dick Johnson with his Sierra was leading the bathurst, ahead of Mark Skaife in his Nissan GTR, despite the fact that Sierra is a mere 4 cylinder and the GTR obviously with a RB26.

But hell lets ignore all the restrictions, weight penalties, etc, placed on the GTR, to try and make the field more competitive

Honestly: I love those cars too

[RNGTR]

Love the Lancia!

My Uncle had a Cosworth Sierra in the late 80s early 90s.... man that was a tough little machine.

[djr81]

  Barbarian said:

Rubbish.

Lancia 4WD was introduced roughly the same time around when Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth got into production, both turbocharged.

Dick Johnson with his Sierra was leading the bathurst, ahead of Mark Skaife in his Nissan GTR, despite the fact that Sierra is a mere 4 cylinder and the GTR obviously with a RB26.

Stop it all of you. You are getting you categories & your cars well confused.

The RS500 Sierra Cosworth was a longitudinal engined rear wheel drive car built for touring car racing. It was the evolution version of the Sierra Cosworth (hence the RS500 tag) and was introduced at the end of the 1987 season.

In rallying the appropriate antecendent for the Escort Cosworth was the Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth. Which had the same engine but with an AWD system. It was a rally car. It was introduced AFTER the track version.

The Escort Cosworth shown in the first post shared a great deal with the Sapphire - basically the entire drivetrain with an Escort body shoe horned onto a cut down Sierra floorpan.

The Lancia Delta Integrele first ran in an 8V form in the 1987 season - so it predated both the Sapphire & the Cosworth Escort.

Edited December 18, 2007 by djr81

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  Barbarian said:

... of Ford Escort Cosworth and the legendary Ford Sierra RS... Subaru and Mitsubishi are so smart that they build a worthy imitation nearly as good as the cosworths 20 yrs later

British Engineering at its best

nice

[Do-Luck]

I'd much prefer the RS200

[djr81]

Don't get me started on group B for gods sake.

Check this if you want one.

http://www.anamera.com/en/find/list/index.html?no_cache=1

Do a search for Fords. there are a couple there for US $225,000. Cheap so stop sniffling an buy one.

[saff_cossie]

  djr81 said:

Stop it all of you. You are getting you categories & your cars well confused.

The RS500 Sierra Cosworth was a longitudinal engined rear wheel drive car built for touring car racing. It was the evolution version of the Sierra Cosworth (hence the RS500 tag) and was introduced at the end of the 1987 season.

In rallying the appropriate antecendent for the Escort Cosworth was the Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth. Which had the same engine but with an AWD system. It was a rally car. It was introduced AFTER the track version.

The Escort Cosworth shown in the first post shared a great deal with the Sapphire - basically the entire drivetrain with an Escort body shoe horned onto a cut down Sierra floorpan.

The Lancia Delta Integrele first ran in an 8V form in the 1987 season - so it predated both the Sapphire & the Cosworth Escort.

Not all correct sadly.

The RS500 was supposed to be because it represented 500 cars being built for homogulation, however only 498 have ever been sighted and where produced in a combination of Moonstone Blue, White and Black. The RS500 as a production car was introduced in 1986 on the roads.

The Sierra Sapphire didnt have the same engine, it had a similar one as the RS500. The RS500 had a stronger 200 series block and 8 injectors on the fuel rail. The sierra Sapphire Cosworth didnt have just a AWD system, the 2wd variant that I owned was introduced in 1987 and preceeded the AWD system which commonly came into play in 1990. The 4x4 Sierra Sapphire Cosworth then preceeded the Escort Cosworth. Yes the Escort and the Sierra Sapphire 4x4 shared a lot in common including the floor pan. The Escort Cosworth is larger than a traditional MK5 Escort that Europe saw.

RS200 - The nuts

Lancia's, I don't know enough about.