2008 F1 Season

[Beer Baron]

kubi on the podium at monaco. webber will quali in the top 5 and if he makes it to the end will finish top 5 too. but i'd say he's 50/50 of making it race distance.

[dezz]

They say nice guys finish last? Well that certainly applies to the F1 circus.

Massa arrogant?

Kimi arrogant?

I don't even believe that MS came across as arrogant in post race press conferences, and he's won more than anyone.

Even Alonso has changed. I now respect him as a driver after his year at McLaren. Even when he was up at the pointy end, he was a different man in post race press conferences. Admitting freely when Ferrari or anyone else was too good, too quick etc.

LH on the other hand paints himself as a victim 9.9 times out of 10 and makes out that he's got the slowest and worst car on the grid, but due to sheer brilliance puts it on the podium. Everything he says sounds so scripted and rehearsed. It literally makes me sick.

maybe it's tall poppy syndrome? maybe i'm jealous? or maybe he really is a wanker.

It's the latter

But the other reason i am not warming to Lewis is whilst he is talented, he is carrying on like he has already won a WDC and is always painting himself as a victim. Most interviews he talks of how things arent fair for him or are so tough

Spot on Bris

[djr81]

I don't even believe that MS came across as arrogant in post race press conferences, and he's won more than anyone.

MS may not have come accross as arrogant (to your eyes, anyway) because he wouldn't even let himself get to the point of believing he was capable of doing anything wrong. Which is the worst kind of arrogance.

Even Alonso has changed. I now respect him as a driver after his year at McLaren. Even when he was up at the pointy end, he was a different man in post race press conferences. Admitting freely when Ferrari or anyone else was too good, too quick etc.

How can you respect Alonso as a driver when he got hosed by a rookie and then spent the whole year either bleating about it or going behind his teams back to nobble them. I respected Alonso until he started pulling those bullshit stunts at McLaren.

LH on the other hand paints himself as a victim 9.9 times out of 10 and makes out that he's got the slowest and worst car on the grid, but due to sheer brilliance puts it on the podium. Everything he says sounds so scripted and rehearsed. It literally makes me sick.

From watching his car in the sphincter of the universe in qualifying I reckon that much of its performance was down to the driver. It was an ugly, bottoming out pig of a thing.

Everything sounds scripted and rehearsed because it is. PR is so overwhelming in F1 these days the drivers can only speak in cliches. Added to their complete lack of a life out of motor racing and you get dull people. Brilliant, but dull.

I mean Kimi gets pissed & falls over & the whole world carries on like he is some sort of cult hero because of it. Phark they want to try outside the Burli on a Sunday morning after closing time. Multiple champions/cult heros right there lying face down on the pavement.....must be, they got pissed & fell over.

[Beer Baron]

yes I have been pissed and fallen over also. it's the secret to my talent.

[djr81]

yes I have been pissed and fallen over also. it's the secret to my talent.

BB Not so much P1 as PFO. Better than DNQ, or DNS which is my usual effort of late.

[m3gtr]

BB Not so much P1 as PFO. Better than DNQ, or DNS which is my usual effort of late.

Its usually a DNF for me...

[Roy]

Unlike, I dunno, a twice world champion that started his F1 career in a Minardi?

Cant agree on that front. Alonso was statistically a chance coming into the last few GPs. He had to race and win and get points, ie punch hard and get points in the last few GPs. He fell short.

Now what Lewis did in China is unforgivable, he should have let Alonso and Kimi run off in the distance and race for a round win while he sewed up the championship. Gambling on tyre strategy in those conditions to try and get a win when the WDC was there to take is FARKING STUPID. A reall rookie error. He can drive the wheels off the car, but there is the problem. At that race, that point in the career he hadnt been kicked in the teeth and appreciative of how hard results are to come by, let alone a WDC.

The mistake is excusable as he was a rookie and the team didnt oull rank on him over the radio. Point is if Alonso was in that situation he woudl haev won the WDC. The politics of the mid season had put him at too big of a deficit to the consistant Lewis. Alonso and Kimi had to win...they closed the gap. Kimi got the job done and Alonso fell just short.

So if China wasnt bad enough, what did he go and do in Brazil? A rookie learning the ropes in that car is a crying shame. One of their drivers should have bagged the WDC. The fact that Lewis had it to lose...well. I think i have harped on enough

And to me its not arrogance. Out of race interviews he seems nice enough, even if he isnt my preferred style/cut of a guy. The thing that annoys me is the fact that he plays the victim, and oh so skillfully played defenseless last year when he played perhaps more then an equal roll in the dramas that unfolded. Mongoose and Cobra stuff. Talking to a McLaren employee during Aus GP, well the team refused to paint a bad picture publically of either driver. It was the drivers throwing stones. For aguy that says he respects RD and is thankful of all the support he has been given, its funny how that goes out the window when he put his helmet on, ignoring instructions from the team on more then one occassion

[ctjet]

Renault launches youtube channel

awesome idea

[sh@un]

We are too hard on them. When you take a step back and look at it plainly, these guys - from 1st to 20th are the best drivers in the world.

whoa back a sec- what about the drivers whose daddies just pay for them to have a go? Pedro Diniz, anybody??...

[Marco-R34GTT]

whoa back a sec- what about the drivers whose daddies just pay for them to have a go? Pedro Diniz, anybody??...

Pedro Diniz, Gaston Mazzacane, Zsolt Baumgartner, Narain Karthikeyan, Tarso Marques, Alex Yoong...

So on so forth...

[m3gtr]

whoa back a sec- what about the drivers whose daddies just pay for them to have a go? Pedro Diniz, anybody??...

lol, even if you had 20 million dollars Shaun, theres no way in hell any team would let you near a car..//:laugh:

All the drivers Marco mentioned had racing experience at thew highest levels.

Just because they tanked doesnt mean they didnt know what they were doing...not everyone can be a Shumi or a Hammo...

[Marco-R34GTT]

'Experience' and 'skilled' are two different things... I may have had 'experience' as a chef but that doesn't necessarily mean I am a 'good' chef...

[ctjet]

Jackie Stewart tipping Mosely to hold onto his spot?

big call

[m3gtr]

Jackie Stewart tipping Mosely to hold onto his spot?

big call

Yeah, but put it in context. Stewart wants him out and he was right to say that if he was the head of a multinational corp, hed have had to stand down by now.

Stewart was saying that he has too much power for one man and i think that hes always been bang on when it comes to his views of mosley.

Thats why he was saying he would stay in the fold.

Remember that $100 bet was against mosley, not for him.

[ctjet]

Hakkinen's trophy case blamed for villa fire

According to reports Hakkinen, his new partner and another woman were forced to flee the villa when the fire broke out. They escaped without injury although were taken to a nearby hospital as a precaution.

bad luck yes

... but thats my boy!!

[JAS-25T]

HAHAHAH

does anyone know when next years Melbourne F1 is on?

My missus wants to take me there for our honeymoon.

yes. thats one of the reasons why I am marrying her.

[ctjet]

i dont think the 2009 calendar has been finalised yet

[JAS-25T]

Yeah I couldn't find it, but I thought one of you guys would have already known or something.

[ctjet]

its always the start of march, but the exact weekend we'll find out in a few months

[JAS-25T]

yeah I knew that.