2008 F1 Season

[dezz]

I dont get you Adam, not that it really matters. Why is it so hard for you just to concede the bleeming obvious. Kimi has done ok in the Mrs stakes. A former Miss Scandinavia and model who happens to be a biscuit?

You carry on with your favourite term "hater" when people question or criticise Lewis etc. But you blindly lash out at all things Kimi?!?! LOL, i dont care either way, but you throw the term around like a school principal lecturing to pupils, as though you are above such behaviour. Yet your views and posts of Kimi as bad/worse then any posted on Lewis or any other driver?

But thats fine, your banter with Dezz provides some of the merrier moments of my day

Glad I could be of service Bris

It's ok though, EVERYONE in here knows that Kimi's mrs is smoking....The others just prefer men, not that there's anything wrong with that.

[m3gtr]

I dont get you Adam, not that it really matters. Why is it so hard for you just to concede the bleeming obvious. Kimi has done ok in the Mrs stakes. A former Miss Scandinavia and model who happens to be a biscuit?

You carry on with your favourite term "hater" when people question or criticise Lewis etc. But you blindly lash out at all things Kimi?!?! LOL, i dont care either way, but you throw the term around like a school principal lecturing to pupils, as though you are above such behaviour. Yet your views and posts of Kimi as bad/worse then any posted on Lewis or any other driver?

But thats fine, your banter with Dezz provides some of the merrier moments of my day

Roy! Hold up.

I dont find KR's missus attractive. I for one dont understand why others do - meh, no big deal, yeah?

A Ms Scandinavia title means very little to me and seriously, shes not very attractive.

To me.

"haters" isnt a pet term of mine but many people have blindly hated on LH when hes good or bad and turn a "blind eye" to others when they f**k up big time.

Its this kind of hypocrisy that brings me to the term.

Let me be very clear...I dont hate KR or even dislike him but i have been pissed off with the way he has conducted himself in the past and continues to do so.

Knocking over a kid because of an autograph. Bodyslamming a cameraman because he stepped on his freaking umbrella. Waving a stick around paro on a boat and then nearly breaking his neck.

The monkey suit. ( well...yeah it was bloody funny though ). The stripclub, the lapdances.

His public image is terrible when you really think about it and then to top it all off hes Mr monosyllabic.

Hope the missus can deal with that one.

Hes definitely not the type of guy that is a good ambassador for the sport.

He never has been.

To his credit, hes a WDC ( finally ) and he is a damn good racer and driver. But hes no gem.

He seems to think hes better than the sport, like its not worthy of him- he can leave anyday... but Kimi old boy, the sport and the media made you who you are, given you what you have and they sure as hell can take it all away and youll be very distantly remembered.

Noone can forget MS because despite his 7 titles and all his faults, he has put so much back into the sport - continues to be an active part of it and many can thus overlook his ruthlessness in view of this.

What has Kimi goven back to the sport?

When i saw him in Suzuka, he just came out the gates and then got in his big shiny merc and f**ked off.He didnt even say a peep to all those gathered to greet him. The bastard. Every other driver i met stopped and took the time out to talk, sign or for a pic op. FA was kind enough to stop for 30 seconds. I even got 10 minutes with MS, ffs!

Thats what i call giving something back.

When a poor kid has to get bowled over over an autograph..when a journo, doing his job, is thrown to the side.

Hes an arrogant pig atm and yes, it does piss me off.

What has Kimi done for the sport?

That, Roy is the question id like you to answer.

[Marco-R34GTT]

What has Kimi done for the sport?

He hasn't spooned his dad... Sucked Uncle Ronny's you know what... Hasn't been spoonfed and groomed from day one..

In that sense, he is the sport's undisputed redeemer... When you compare him to Louise that is...

[m3gtr]

He hasn't spooned his dad... Sucked Uncle Ronny's you know what... Hasn't been spoonfed and groomed from day one..

In that sense, he is the sport's undisputed redeemer... When you compare him to Louise that is...

Gee great post Marco.

Thats just about answered everything.

[lingeringsoul]

It's not like they have to do something for the sport. They are drivers, first and foremost they are paid to get the team to the nunmber one spot. They do that, they get more sponsors/$$$. I'm sure there are many WDC champions who haven't done a thing after winning. If you want to compare the good will of these drivers, you really gotta look at all the winners and then make a fair comparison.

[m3gtr]

It's not like they have to do something for the sport.

Thats where youre dead wrong James.

[djr81]

Very few drivers have ever made a meaningfull, long term contribution to the sport outside of the cockpit. Jackie Stewart is one who comes to mind. Then there is, um, err, well.....

Some have an involvement with circuit safety (eg Mark Webber) but it is hardly the core of their activities. Nor should it be.

I suspect that most people professing to dislike drivers & posting in this thread (me included) first take a set against a driver which then colours their interpretation of all their subsequent activities.

So Kimi is hardly ebullient at press conferences. So what.

So Hamilton is close to his old man. Good luck to him.

Atleast they are in some small way individuals and not motor racing clones of the type you see so often.

Bottom line is almost all of the F1 drivers are self absorbed, selfish, have massive egos and a massively competitive in everything. They just don't get to be F1 drivers without all of those character traits. Or shortcomings.

Edited August 8, 2008 by djr81

[m3gtr]

Very few drivers have ever made a meaningfull, long term contribution to the sport outside of the cockpit. Jackie Stewart is one who comes to mind. Then there is, um, err, well.....

Some have an involvement with circuit safety (eg Mark Webber) but it is hardly the core of their activities. Nor should it be.

I suspect that most people professing to dislike drivers & posting in this thread (me included) first take a set against a driver which then colours their interpretation of all their subsequent activities.

So Kimi is hardly ebullient at press conferences. So what.

So Hamilton is close to his old man. Good luck to him.

Atleast they are in some small way individuals and not motor racing clones of the type you see so often.

Bottom line is almost all of the F1 drivers are self absorbed, selfish, have massive egos and a massively competitive in everything. They just don't get to be F1 drivers without all of those character traits. Or shortcomings.

Well put. Valid points all round.

I tend to disagree on a couple of things though.

Stewart is an obvious choice for someone giving back to the sport on a massive level but all those involved in the FIA drivers safety committee are doing a positive thing. KR is not a part of the committee. That speaks volumes.

Im not trying to single him out but the fact that hes done nothing is obvious.

My point was that a driver can do any number of things to give back to the sport apart from the obvious sponsors engagements.

Things to do with the fans for example. KR is shocking at these types of things. The bottom line is, if it werent for us there would be no F1.

People tend to forget this too quickly.

The drivers are literally role models and people look up to them - look to them for all different types of things.

KR, again, is hopeless and the videos and photos can attest to this.

The very fact that LH is black is a positive thing to the sport and the very fact he has been the first ever black man to compete in the series has opened the minds and aspirations for the black community the world over.

Yes, the very fact he is black is already intrinsically, giving something back.

Yeah, Kimi is white...

So what?

We are used to seeing white people driving F1 cars.

I can see this being taken totally the wrong direction in this thread but thats the risk i take with an example like this.

If i were a driver i would not be pushing cameramen over, bowling over kids and walking away when the kid starts screaming, i wouldnt be getting lapdances from prostitutes in seedy clubs - i would in short see the position i have is one of great responsibility and treat it accordingly - something that KR for instance has missed entirely.

I wont be sorry to see him leave the sport to be honest although he is an exceptionally quick and decisive driver.

That simply isnt enough for me.

The drivers have to be upstanding and live up to the responsibilities that comes with the power theyve been given.

Who can honestly say KR has in any way shape of form accomplished this?

[djr81]

It is very rare that an elite athlete of any sort, of any era, will be a well rounded individual.

If you expect that then your list of people who meet the standard will be a very short one indeed. A couple of cricketers spring to mind, a very few GP drivers and even at that those I am thinking of are of previous generations. Perhaps it is because there lives were shaped by more than driving race cars. People like Bruce McLaren who suffered from a dibilitating illness in his youth. Niki Lauda who showed no end of courage to return to his Ferrari with barely healed burns...

To quote the much lamented Keith Miller:

"Pressure, I’ll tell you what pressure is. Pressure is a Messerschmidt up your arse, playing cricket is not."

KR is rubbish at PR & looking after the fans. That actually makes me like him all the more.

[m3gtr]

It is very rare that an elite athlete of any sort, of any era, will be a well rounded individual.

If you expect that then your list of people who meet the standard will be a very short one indeed. A couple of cricketers spring to mind, a very few GP drivers and even at that those I am thinking of are of previous generations. Perhaps it is because there lives were shaped by more than driving race cars. People like Bruce McLaren who suffered from a dibilitating illness in his youth. Niki Lauda who showed no end of courage to return to his Ferrari with barely healed burns...

To quote the much lamented Keith Miller:

"Pressure, I’ll tell you what pressure is. Pressure is a Messerschmidt up your arse, playing cricket is not."

KR is rubbish at PR & looking after the fans. That actually makes me like him all the more.

That last bit makes no sense to me at all.

If he fobbed you off or pushed you over because you were standing on his umbrella i think that sentence would be very different. Your the fan he treats like crap and somehow its..okay for you?

On a different note, FW is also a monument to the sport - thats Sir Frank, to you, lol. He was one of the kindest people in the paddock and it was an honour to meet him. MS, NF, RB, DH, DC, MH, PH ...the list goes on - the point is so many have given back to those that support them. Ironically, very few do not and thats a good thing i suppose.

[djr81]

That last bit makes no sense to me at all.

If he fobbed you off or pushed you over because you were standing on his umbrella i think that sentence would be very different. Your the fan he treats like crap and somehow its..okay for you?

On a different note, FW is also a monument to the sport - thats Sir Frank, to you, lol. He was one of the kindest people in the paddock and it was an honour to meet him. MS, NF, RB, DH, DC, MH, PH ...the list goes on - the point is so many have given back to those that support them. Ironically, very few do not and thats a good thing i suppose.

Because I can't for a minute understand how any of the F1 drivers can stand the huge amount of inane PR commitments they are expected to deal with. Nor for that matter the bullsh!t questions (same ones mostly) they get asked time & again.

So I therefore respect someones entirely reasonable attitude that it is all bullsh!t & they don't want any part of it. KR's driving got him where he is. Not his ability to charm journalists & small animals.

I would hope I had the presence of mind not to stand on other peoples stuff. I take the view that as a fan probably the best thing I can do is leave the said person the fk alone. With the exception of one PB signed poster I have always stuck to that.

As for FW, yes I agree. But we were speaking of drivers, not constructors or engineers.

[dezz]

Firstly, djr, great posts.

I can't be bothered quoting each line, but I will attempt to address each one individually...

Knocking over a kid because of an autograph. Bodyslamming a cameraman because he stepped on his freaking umbrella. Waving a stick around paro on a boat and then nearly breaking his neck.

The monkey suit. ( well...yeah it was bloody funny though ). The stripclub, the lapdances.

His public image is terrible when you really think about it and then to top it all off hes Mr monosyllabic.

Hope the missus can deal with that one.

Hes definitely not the type of guy that is a good ambassador for the sport.

He never has been.

To his credit, hes a WDC ( finally ) and he is a damn good racer and driver. But hes no gem.

He seems to think hes better than the sport, like its not worthy of him- he can leave anyday... but Kimi old boy, the sport and the media made you who you are, given you what you have and they sure as hell can take it all away and youll be very distantly remembered.

Noone can forget MS because despite his 7 titles and all his faults, he has put so much back into the sport - continues to be an active part of it and many can thus overlook his ruthlessness in view of this.

What has Kimi goven back to the sport?

When i saw him in Suzuka, he just came out the gates and then got in his big shiny merc and f**ked off.He didnt even say a peep to all those gathered to greet him. The bastard. Every other driver i met stopped and took the time out to talk, sign or for a pic op. FA was kind enough to stop for 30 seconds. I even got 10 minutes with MS, ffs!

Thats what i call giving something back.

When a poor kid has to get bowled over over an autograph..when a journo, doing his job, is thrown to the side.

Hes an arrogant pig atm and yes, it does piss me off.

What has Kimi done for the sport?

That, Roy is the question id like you to answer.

Are you a journo, or do you just like to exaggerate and talk as much shit as one?

You say KR knocked over a kid because of an autograph. Could you get anymore melodramatic? First off it was the kids mother (or aunt or sister for all we know) running at KR like an idiot that got her kid knocked over, and it was the clipboard in her hand that knocked the kid over after she basically shoved it in KR's face as he walked. Perhaps she should think more about looking after a child in her care than trying to get a name on a piece of paper.

Body slamming a camera man? All he did was give him a little shove. The camera man then tripped on the object he shouldn't have been standing on, lost his balance and fell. Perhaps next time he'll remember that and stay at a sensible distance to a man that is about to step into a multi million dollar race car in a chase for his second WDC....Then maybe he'd be standing up taking photos/footage like every other photographer that Kimi didn't 'body slam' that day.

As for him falling on HIS boat and almost breaking HIS neck, I'm pretty sure thats his business. Just because he's not a boring flog that caters to the media, you slander him. I and many others applaud him for still knowing how to have some fun, and not letting his fame and fortune go to his head.

You say he's 'finally' won a WDC...well no-one ever doubted his talent, its not his fault your beloved McLaren were unable to give him a car capable of winning a WDC, let alone finishing a race.

Seems to think he's better than the sport? I'm not sure what drugs you're taking, but KR is the furthest from that. He's one of few that doesn't seem to think he's better than anyone. He's modest and always plays down everything he does. I respect him for that. He can and will leave whenever he wants, and as for being distantly remembered, I dare say he wouldn't give a shit, and would prefer to be left alone. Something that can't be said for Hamilton.

My point was that a driver can do any number of things to give back to the sport apart from the obvious sponsors engagements.

Things to do with the fans for example. KR is shocking at these types of things. The bottom line is, if it werent for us there would be no F1.

People tend to forget this too quickly.

The drivers are literally role models and people look up to them - look to them for all different types of things.

KR, again, is hopeless and the videos and photos can attest to this.

The very fact that LH is black is a positive thing to the sport and the very fact he has been the first ever black man to compete in the series has opened the minds and aspirations for the black community the world over.

Yes, the very fact he is black is already intrinsically, giving something back.

Yeah, Kimi is white...

So what?

We are used to seeing white people driving F1 cars.

I can see this being taken totally the wrong direction in this thread but thats the risk i take with an example like this.

If i were a driver i would not be pushing cameramen over, bowling over kids and walking away when the kid starts screaming, i wouldnt be getting lapdances from prostitutes in seedy clubs - i would in short see the position i have is one of great responsibility and treat it accordingly - something that KR for instance has missed entirely.

I wont be sorry to see him leave the sport to be honest although he is an exceptionally quick and decisive driver.

That simply isnt enough for me.

The drivers have to be upstanding and live up to the responsibilities that comes with the power theyve been given.

Who can honestly say KR has in any way shape of form accomplished this?

You won't see videos of KR signing autographs and being friendly, who wants to see something as boring as that? People like controversy and action, so that is what we see.

I can't believe I even read that utter shit. You're saying what Hamilton has put back into F1 is that he's black? hahahahah you've got to be kidding. So Kimi and every other non black F1 driver should apologize for being white....how selfish of them. They should have been black and put something back into F1....

You're not a driver, and you weren't preparing for a race when a photographer (unlike every single one of his colleagues) not only invaded KR's personal space moments before a race, but also stepped on his property. The kid was knocked over by his mum or whoever she was, as she found getting KR to sign a bit of paper was more important than looking after the child in her care. If you were a driver you'd more than likely go pretty much un-noticed, where as KR isn't afraid to have fun, and he can race, which makes him the perfect F1 driver imo. Anyone that can make as much money as he does, not be so far up himself like a certain black F1 driver which shall remain nameless, and still know how to have some down to earth fun like any regular person is a champion in my eyes.

[m3gtr]

Dezz, right now you look like an absolute wanker.

[dezz]

Dezz, right now you look like an absolute wanker.

In the eyes of the biggest flog on here...I'm sure I'll get to sleep tonight

[Marco-R34GTT]

Dezz, right now you look like an absolute wanker.

Stairing into a mirror are you??

[m3gtr]

Yeah, your mum's.

[Marco-R34GTT]

Yeah, your mum's.

Much like your love-boy Hamilton, you have a constant and wavering struggle to have a good grasp of reality..

You will never win us over, WDC or ten, Hamilton will be loved and hated... Time and again you have either been proven wrong or have been outargued. I admire your tenacity, conviction and zeal, however it is a great shame you spare it for such a worthless cause....

Edited August 8, 2008 by Marco-R34GTT

[Duncan]

lol days of our lives in here

[lingeringsoul]

god I love this thread, one of the only few threads here that you can argue THIS much without the thread being closed/locked. That is an achievement in itself gentlemen.

[wolverine]

god I love this thread, one of the only few threads here that you can argue THIS much without the thread being closed/locked. That is an achievement in itself gentlemen.

hater..