2008 F1 Season

[ctjet]

mid next week, just before the singapore gp

[Garage Menace]

Watch the tape and watch it frame by frame.

Nah thanks mate. I have a life. Maybe you should get one...

After reading pages and pages and effing pages of this back and forth arguing, I cannot resist ripping off the bandaid.

Simple fix. Bring back the gravel traps. That will sort the men from the boys. Anyone can make a do or die passing attempt if there are no consequences to outbraking yourself... There should be reward for staying on THE TRACK, and penalties for running off it.

That being said, the penalty, or the result, did not quite fit the crime, and I say that as a Louise hater, but the crime was there nonetheless. Put that in your pipe and smoke it you Louise loving crybabies.

PS. I made my living racing for over 5 years so am more than qualified to have an opinion.

Edited September 10, 2008 by Garage Menace

[si]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_ww...iltonkimi_sport

Watching that again shows how hamilton could have slowed and pulled in behind kimi but got impatient. Have a good listen to hamiltons car just before he cuts it, he isn't still braking.

Agree that there been enough talk about this though so enough from me about it now.

[dezz]

watching that, he doesn't seem to YIELD at all. He's side by side with Kimi the whole time albeit slightly back, but not behind, and seems to be at full throttle the whole time.

[bnr#@]

Adam, watch the race summary on f1.com, very nice camera angle of the whole incident in the footage, shows that hamo was nowhere near passing the fez in the corner

[m3gtr]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_ww...iltonkimi_sport

Watching that again shows how hamilton could have slowed and pulled in behind kimi but got impatient. Have a good listen to hamiltons car just before he cuts it, he isn't still braking.

Agree that there been enough talk about this though so enough from me about it now.

Yeah you know...thats the exact same video i posted up 2 pages ago.

I disagree with the penalty and the crime - to a certain extent - so we wouldnt be having this conversation if the board wasnt manipulated the way it was.

Give him a fine, give him a slap on the wrist - not a slap in the face, a race win stripping, a slap to all F1 fans across the world...

Enough.

[dezz]

And still, you just don't get it.

[m3gtr]

Adam, watch the race summary on f1.com, very nice camera angle of the whole incident in the footage, shows that hamo was nowhere near passing the fez in the corner

Ive watched that video at least 30 times....frame by frame.

I still dont get it.

Its so marginal its not funny.

We are armchair stewards and look at the debate that its sparked... imagine whats happening now within the F1 community itself!

Heres my question and its a really serious one...

Would you, or any one else be screaming blue murder if the FIA didnt even investigate the incident at all???

Would we really be discussing things at this length if things were left to stand as they were when the chequered flag dropped in Spa??

I dont think so.

Still,

Id love to read some of the responses.

[dezz]

The moment I saw it, live, I thought penalty.

I then heard a few minutes later that an incident between car 1 and 22 was under investigation.

I watched the press conference as always, then went to bed for 4 hours sleep before work. I thought about checking the f1 sites at 4am to see if anything had happened but didn't wanna go to work angrier than I already was after the race, if nothing had been done...upon arriving at work my mate informed me of the penalty.

Best day at work ever

[bnr#@]

Ive watched that video at least 30 times....frame by frame.

I still dont get it.

Its so marginal its not funny.

We are armchair stewards and look at the debate that its sparked... imagine whats happening now within the F1 community itself!

Heres my question and its a really serious one...

Would you, or any one else be screaming blue murder if the FIA didnt even investigate the incident at all???

Id love to read some of the responses.

I wouldn't really be screaming anything. I don't fully agree with the way this has played out, but I can see how it came about. The FIA didn't strip anyone of a race win, they striped 25 seconds which is a drive through fine and the only reason that it was desided after the race had ended is because it happened on effectively the last lap.

Let me ask you this in return, if the same insident had happened on say lap 20 or so and Lewis had gotten a drive through (effectively 25secs) and then came 3rd would you be so pissed about it as you are about this?

[Garage Menace]

Ive watched that video at least 30 times....frame by frame.

I go back to my previous post, I have a life. Maybe you should get one...

I still dont get it.

Most sensible thing you have said all thread.

Would you, or any one else be screaming blue murder if the FIA didnt even investigate the incident at all???

I admit, and it might be coz I'm slow in the uptake, but how is this relevant to the debate?

Id love to read some of the responses.

Well, you conveniently ignored mine:

Simple fix. Bring back the gravel traps. That will sort the men from the boys. Anyone can make a do or die passing attempt if there are no consequences to outbraking yourself... There should be reward for staying on THE TRACK, and penalties for running off it.

That being said, the penalty, or the result, did not quite fit the crime, and I say that as a Louise hater, but the crime was there nonetheless. Put that in your pipe and smoke it you Louise loving crybabies.

[m3gtr]

I go back to my previous post, I have a life. Maybe you should get one...

Most sensible thing you have said all thread.

I admit, and it might be coz I'm slow in the uptake, but how is this relevant to the debate?

Well, you conveniently ignored mine:

Ok. Youve got my attention, now.

I saw your post and how qualified you are to comment and thats all fine.

I have a great life here in Tokyo - thanks for your concern. My job affords me plenty of time to do other things i love doing and i still get paid really well...that includes watching F1 footage frame by frame if i feel like it.

Again, if the FIA had NOT investigated this incident, would you be up in arms as passionately as is the case now?

All these peeps saying he wasnt past him...blah blah blah...

You know what? The race stewards REPORT to CW and he makes the final call - he isnt called the RACE DIRECTOR for nothing, you know.

CW told Mac and RD on 2 occassions that is was OK - right after the incident.

What more do you want?

Make sure you get your facts straight before calling on your wealth of experience.

If CW told me, you or the neighbours dog that the pass was OK i would bloody well leave it at that.

CW will come into play heavily in the next couple of weeks you can rest assured and on the strength of his testimony, Mac should be cleared and reinstated.

Simple.

[m3gtr]

Let me ask you this in return, if the same insident had happened on say lap 20 or so and Lewis had gotten a drive through (effectively 25secs) and then came 3rd would you be so pissed about it as you are about this?

Thats a great question.

I would still be angry because primarily, the decision is massively debatable and the reason for a world wide furor and in Cricket for example, as we all know, there exists the " benefit of the doubt".

Not so in F1 apparently - at least when it comes to a silver car, in a sport that garners billions of dollars. In F1 unfortunately, there is no doubt. Only unrivalled certainty on the behalf of 3 clowns and millions of internet users sitting at home or in a theater room who have next to no motor racing experience.

Surely that is questionable!

[Garage Menace]

Ok. Youve got my attention, now.

I saw your post and how qualified you are to comment and thats all fine.

I have a great life here in Tokyo - thanks for your concern. My job affords me plenty of time to do other things i love doing and i still get paid really well...that includes watching F1 footage frame by frame if i feel like it.

Again, if the FIA had NOT investigated this incident, would you be up in arms as passionately as is the case now?

All these peeps saying he wasnt past him...blah blah blah...

You know what? The race stewards REPORT to CW and he makes the final call - he isnt called the RACE DIRECTOR for nothing, you know.

CW told Mac and RD on 2 occassions that is was OK - right after the incident.

What more do you want?

Make sure you get your facts straight before calling on your wealth of experience.

If CW told me, you or the neighbours dog that the pass was OK i would bloody well leave it at that.

CW will come into play heavily in the next couple of weeks you can rest assured and on the strength of his testimony, Mac should be cleared and reinstated.

Simple.

Oooo,

I got your attention? I feel honoured to attract the attention of such a highly paid jet-setter.

Also, I am not up in arms, or passionate about this issue. You are the only one who seems to be passionate about someone you don't know (but wish you could taste)...

Also, make sure I get my facts straight? What facts have I quoted? Did you even read my post before throwing your toys out of the cot in your haste to make it to the tissue box? I offered an opinion of the move based on years of racing experience. Mock it if you want. I have BTDT. Have you?

You were boring me with your whining before, and are even more boring now in your attempts to pull me into line. They, and you, are laughable.

PS. I actually stated the result of the penalty did not fit the crime, but there was a crime nonetheless. You totally ignored my actual argument and focussed on bullshite political rantings. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, biartch...

I'll start trembling in a minute about the barrage I am sure I'll cop for this one...

Break out the popcorn lads...

Edited September 10, 2008 by Garage Menace

[m3gtr]

Oooo,

I got your attention? I feel honoured to attract the attention of such a highly paid jet-setter.

Also, I am not up in arms, or passionate about this issue. You are the only one who seems to be passionate about someone you don't know (but wish you could taste)...

Also, make sure I get my facts straight? What facts have I quoted? Did you even read my post before throwing your toys out of the cot in your haste to make it to the tissue box? I offered an opinion of the move based on years of racing experience. Mock it if you want. I have BTDT. Have you?

You were boring me with your whining before, and are even more boring now in your attempts to pull me into line. They, and you, are laughable.

PS. I actually stated the result of the penalty did not fit the crime, but there was a crime nonetheless. You totally ignored my actual argument and focussed on bullshite political rantings. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, biartch...

I'll start trembling in a minute about the barrage I am sure I'll cop for this one...

Break out the popcorn lads...

Okay, kewl, i took the time to respond to you because i felt it was worth it.

I dont consider time spent with people i respond to a waste if thats what youre wondering especially about this sport.

I have given up my CAMS level 2 to get my JAF license - I couldnt have both...so...

Its beside the point though isnt it?

I saw the post, yes, and i have to question the fact you have waded in here without notice, without knowing me, without having competed on the same surface as me and taken a broadside at me with less than 200 posts to your name.

Sorry mate, i dont understand your motives. Youre not passionate about the issue, therefore you cant be that serious about the sport??

Im not even coming from a pro Mac, pro LH standpoint.

Im thinking of the good of the sport and that decision was atrocious and a detriment to everything i love about F1.

Mac, hopefully will be reinstated but i cant help but feel it shouldnt have come to this in the first place.

I

[Roy]

I have a CAMS Level 2 licence. I must say filling out the form wasnt too bad, but licking that stamp and envelope, then finding a post box... Phew, talk about hard work.

[Duncan]

You know what? The race stewards REPORT to CW and he makes the final call - he isnt called the RACE DIRECTOR for nothing, you know.

Sorry I can't let that go. its actually the opposite, the race director and their officials (flaggies, scruitineers etc) report incidents to the stewards for investigation.

There is a deliberate and clear seperation between the stewards and the rest of the officals to maintain their independance.

[ctjet]

http://planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4126449,00.html

http://www.petitiononline.com/belgp08/petition.html

[m3gtr]

Sorry I can't let that go. its actually the opposite, the race director and their officials (flaggies, scruitineers etc) report incidents to the stewards for investigation.

There is a deliberate and clear seperation between the stewards and the rest of the officals to maintain their independance.

If that is the case, why has CW told RD that everything was fine with the pass then "pass" it to the stewards?

[bnr#@]

Lewis did do a wrong, there is no question there as far as I can see, however the Mac did all they could to make it right on the track. He could have gone all dodgy and just kept going after straight lining the chicane, could have even built a more then 25 sec gap to second (assuming kimmi crashes). As much as I'm a ferrari fan this was still a Mac win, blemished but still their win. Petition signed...