2008 F1 Season

[sh@un]

Niki Lauda calls it 'the worst decision in F1's history', Big call- but he's been around the sport for a looong time now.

[m3gtr]

Niki Lauda calls it 'the worst decision in F1's history', Big call- but he's been around the sport for a looong time now.

Yeah, well, hes an idiot who doesnt know what hes talking about, yeah?

I mean what would he know?

[m3gtr]

I LOLed when i read all this.

There is a sense of humour in F1 after all:

Courtesy of PlanetF1

Stewards To Review Other Results

Thursday 11th September 2008

Following their great success at re-arranging the result of the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, the race stewards are now turning their attention to other sporting events that have finished. Outraged sports writers from the world's news media have slammed them for having no experience in judging football or athletics or swimming, but now the stewards have hit back. They have rightly pointed out that they have just as much knowledge of floor gymnastics and athletics as they have of F1

Notices of Re-Classification

Olympic 100 metres

The Olympic 100 metres final has been reviewed by the stewards and Usain Bolt has had 25 seconds added to his time. The stewards verdict was that Bolt... "didn't run across the line properly and started celebrating way too early".

Tour de France

Carlos Sastre has hung on to his position as winner of the Tour de France, but second-place man Cadel Evans from Australia has seen his second place wiped out.

"Evans is just a back wheel sucker," said Belgian steward Yves Bacquelain, "he never does any of the work on a climb." As Bacquelain is the same nationality as the great Eddie Merckx his decision cannot be overturned.

Swimming

Michael Phelps has seen his Beijing medal haul cut from eight to seven after the stewards decided to hand the win of the 100m butterfly to Milo Cavic. Apparently second-placed man Cavic was almost there first and morally was the winner.

Gymnastics - Beam

Less controversial is the stewards' ruling that American gymnasts Natia Liukin and Shawn Johnson should swap positions in the Beam event at Beijing. Liukin drew huge praise for her artistic performance on the apparatus but lost out to a more complex, but artistically clunky routine from American rival Johnson. "We have decided that Nastia should get the gold because she is a much fitter than Shawn Johnson," said Nicolas Deschaux

Champions League Final

Chelsea are the new champions of Europe after winning the recalculated penalty shoot-out in Moscow. The stewards decided that Manchester United's narrow victory by 6-5 wasn't correct. They have allowed John Terry's missed penalty to count. "We feel that he would have scored if he hadn't lost his footing on a poorly prepared pitch, which was out of his control and so award him the penalty." Chelsea now win 5-4.

( Especially this one, lol )

F1

And finally, Jenson Button and Nick Heidfeld will both have 10-place grid deductions for the Italian Grand Prix after the Kenyan steward discovered they both had beards as scruffy as Sebastien Loeb's.

[m3gtr]

On a more serious note, the plot thickens...

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4130171,00.html

[Marco-R34GTT]

Seems most drivers are standing by the stewards on this one..

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...911191346.shtml

Jarno, Fisi, Fernando, Seb Bourdais, Nico and others..

[ctjet]

LOL any disagreement where Fisi has voiced his opinion, you can guarantee ill be on the opposite team’s no matter what the topic of discussion.

God I cant stand him, hopefully by next year they would have booted his ass out and gotten an up-and-comer in there.

[m3gtr]

Seems most drivers are standing by the stewards on this one..

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...911191346.shtml

Jarno, Fisi, Fernando, Seb Bourdais, Nico and others..

As much as I think LH wasnt in the wrong, for me thats not the ultimate point.

Its clear now the paddock is heavily split - on LH's side i would wager and that speaks volumes. I cant remember the last time this has happened...well, perhaps for MS at Monaco but that was years ago.

If all things were taken into consideration, the would be no loss of a win. Instead a fine would have been more appropriate in light of the fact KR dropped it and Massa was really never in serious contention.

All this could have been avoided is the appropriate penalty was applied.

[m3gtr]

Rain all weekend in Monza!!!

[Roy]

What a fine? Where is he precedenet of the FIA issuing fines for infringements that affect the outcome of a race?

[m3gtr]

What a fine? Where is he precedenet of the FIA issuing fines for infringements that affect the outcome of a race?

Thats right. A fine. Why do i have to keep repeating myself with you?

What about the precedent of the FIA fixing races as if it were a cheap two-bit WWF wrestling match?

There were people who did not want LH to win.

Rather, these people wanted FM, to be up on wins 5-4 against LH.

2 points behind.

Infront of the tifosi.

In a Ferrari

At Monza!

That suits the script much better.

Youre a fool if you think that isnt happening.

[m3gtr]

There are millions more people that will tune in to Monza because of all the bullshit that went on last weekend.

My question to you Roy, is simple.

What will the effect of millions more people tuning in be and who will it benefit?

[Roy]

It was a simple question. Where is the precedent for a fine for driving infringemetns that influence the outcome of a race? FIA have been pretty consistant at issuing a drive thru for such acts.

What you pose is if i was to kill my neighbour ten minutes before winning lotto, i shouldnt go to jail because i now have more to lose. But wait, the autopsy just revealed the guy was going to die of a serious illness within a day or so anyway, so because i have just had a big win with lotto and have more to lose then the the rest of the guys in the street....i should just pay a fine?

[ctjet]

rain... really?

it hasnt rained at monza since... well... it hasnt rained at monza

[m3gtr]

It was a simple question. Where is the precedent for a fine for driving infringemetns that influence the outcome of a race? FIA have been pretty consistant at issuing a drive thru for such acts.

What you pose is if i was to kill my neighbour ten minutes before winning lotto, i shouldnt go to jail because i now have more to lose. But wait, the autopsy just revealed the guy was going to die of a serious illness within a day or so anyway, so because i have just had a big win with lotto and have more to lose then the the rest of the guys in the street....i should just pay a fine?

Lol, a bit of an extreme analogy but i can see where youre coming from.

Have we not already established the punishment did not fit the crime?

Even the great majority of people in the paddock including the drivers agreed.

[m3gtr]

rain... really?

it hasnt rained at monza since... well... it hasnt rained at monza

Yeah and the best part is the stewards cant control the weather.

LH and KR will be in their elements...FM will flounder if the forecast is correct.

By the way, even if a fine was too "lenient", taking into account we agree LH deserved a penalty at all, a grid demotion for Monza would be the next option.

That way we could all witness LH carving the field up in the wet.

Noone doubts his wet weather ability.

[Roy]

I am all for a more equitable solution. But what is it? I cant see how a fine does the job. If the precedent is set for a fine then watch out when drivers start cutting chicanes, gain track position to have a dive at the next corner not concerned about the $10,000 fine.

Plus, fining McLaren would introduce another type of precedent for this sort of penalty. The point is, the FIA applied the std penalty for the offence he was deemed to have committed. What you suggest introduces another level of subjectivity, surely not a good thing. Black / white, means penalty A or B works best.

A starting grid penalty, isnt that the domain for driving infringements during practice, qualifying and engines etc?

[m3gtr]

I am all for a more equitable solution. But what is it? I cant see how a fine does the job. If the precedent is set for a fine then watch out when drivers start cutting chicanes, gain track position to have a dive at the next corner not concerned about the $10,000 fine.

See theres the thing! More drivers taking risks, having a go. Bloody oath. Lessen the penalty and we, the fans, will benefit massively from an huge increase in racing.

I love the idea.

Plus, fining McLaren would introduce another type of precedent for this sort of penalty. The point is, the FIA applied the std penalty for the offence he was deemed to have committed. What you suggest introduces another level of subjectivity, surely not a good thing. Black / white, means penalty A or B works best.

Roy, there are already way too many regulations in place. I think the noose needs to be loosened so we can enjoy the sport more, drivers too.

A starting grid penalty, isnt that the domain for driving infringements during practice, qualifying and engines etc?

Do you think those are the only times a penalty like that should apply or would you like to see the faster drivers coming through the field?

Mixing up the grid would help many things.

Stripping a race away from a driver after everyone has gone home helps no one.

[m3gtr]

Besides, the camp is split anyway as to whether or not LH did commit anything.

Subjectivity at its best.

Then we have the precedent of what happened after...

Horrible all round.

Noone can agree on the crime plus the penalty was massively unfair.

[dezz]

Seems most drivers are standing by the stewards on this one..

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news...911191346.shtml

Jarno, Fisi, Fernando, Seb Bourdais, Nico and others..

Yeah, but what the hell would a bunch of F1 drivers know....Nothing, just ask Adam.

If all things were taken into consideration, the would be no loss of a win. Instead a fine would have been more appropriate in light of the fact KR dropped it and Massa was really never in serious contention.

All this could have been avoided is the appropriate penalty was applied.

The first line quoted is absolutely idiotic.

The appropriate penalty for gaining an advantage was applied. The fact that it cost LH a win is his bad luck.

Thats right. A fine. Why do i have to keep repeating myself with you?

Because you keep making ridiculous arguments.

As for your replies in bold to Troy's post, you have just finished saying that you believe the FIA are manipulating things to make it more of a spectacle for the fans, yet you want them to change the way penalties are applied so that we can watch faster cars having to make their way through the field...So it's ok for them to manipulate races as long as it suits you?

[m3gtr]

Yeah, but what the hell would a bunch of F1 drivers know....Nothing, just ask Adam.

The first line quoted is absolutely idiotic.

The appropriate penalty for gaining an advantage was applied. The fact that it cost LH a win is his bad luck.

Because you keep making ridiculous arguments.

As for your replies in bold to Troy's post, you have just finished saying that you believe the FIA are manipulating things to make it more of a spectacle for the fans, yet you want them to change the way penalties are applied so that we can watch faster cars having to make their way through the field...So it's ok for them to manipulate races as long as it suits you?

Yeah i dont really care so much if we dont agree.

So you dont think the FIA have manipulating anything?

The very least they could do is modify the rules to keep that thing we tune in to week after week consistent - the action - not the conspiracies.

What point is there in strangling a guy for making a wicked move to take the lead? Are you not the same guy who was bitching in the past about there being no overtaking in F1 any more?

You should run for PM, Dezz.