2008 F1 Season

[sh@un]

LOL @ Ferrari press release " This engine failure will not happen again."

One race later - KABOOM!

was nice and smokey, wazn it?

wonder if there was more oil in the dry sump reservoir or the exhaust system at the end? lol

*trundles off to TAB sportsbet to see what sort of money i can get on 'ferraris Monza engine failure(s)'....

[sh@un]

Hamilton still gained an advantage and was penalised as a result

Tell me, good sir- When was the last time this happened to anyone at Monaco: When people cut the chicane at the pool to avoid contact, and then give back any gained places, only to be penalised 25 seconds?

I guess if Lewis hadn't rejoined the track proper at all until Kimi was about to drive past, we wouldn't even be having these discussions... and he still would have won anyway

[dezz]

Tell me, good sir- When was the last time this happened to anyone at Monaco: When people cut the chicane at the pool to avoid contact, and then give back any gained places, only to be penalised 25 seconds?

I guess if Lewis hadn't rejoined the track proper at all until Kimi was about to drive past, we wouldn't even be having these discussions... and he still would have won anyway

Perhaps you should phone your buddy Lewis and give him that advice for next time. If it was such a certainty that he was going to pass Kimi anyway, why the rush and move that was never going to happen with Kimi where he was?

Impatient. Paid the price

Goodnight

[m3gtr]

Perhaps you should phone your buddy Lewis and give him that advice for next time. If it was such a certainty that he was going to pass Kimi anyway, why the rush and move that was never going to happen with Kimi where he was?

Impatient. Paid the price

Goodnight

Deeeezzzooooo..

[sh@un]

You know how it is- When ur driving in your car and ur stuck behind some old, slow, erratic senior citizen, you just can't wait to get past damnit! so you take some calculated risks...

Lewis was just doing what comes naturally to capable drivers who want to get on with it

[m3gtr]

Another thing. You cannot have ever raced a car.

Both those guys were pumped up on natures best drug - adrenaline.

Do you know what that stuff does to a person, Dezz?

They were going at it, flat out, on a greased up skidpan in a forest that is Spa and going at it for the world title.

You for some insane reason and others too want to pull out the cross and nail LH to it.

And why???

Because he speculatively "gained an advantage" - and thats all it will ever really be - speculation - by cutting a farkin chicane! Cmon man..be realistic. Be the fan you know youre supposed to be and not a Hammo hater for once.

All this talk and no one - noone pro ferrari has addressed the multiple multiple occassions in this season alone where Ferrari has deserved a caning and got beaten with a feather duster.

I ask you this. " He who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Cmon man, you know LH outdrove KR, chicane or not.

Massa was NOWHERE and was never ever going to seriously challenge for the win.

We were al robbed or cant you see that>????

[Roy]

I agree to an extent re all the adrenaline....thats why i make the point its a good team that can control their driver and tell him what he needs to hear when he needs to hear it!

[sh@un]

maybe lay off the picto spam a little Adam- you've had prolly the most serious posts in here since sunday night

just sayin'...

what has transpired still galls me, though

[m3gtr]

maybe lay off the picto spam a little Adam- you've had prolly the most serious posts in here since sunday night

just sayin'...

what has transpired still galls me, though

Yeah...tis true.

on both counts.

I love Heath Ledger tho...and Lewie

[m3gtr]

I agree to an extent re all the adrenaline....thats why i make the point its a good team that can control their driver and tell him what he needs to hear when he needs to hear it!

Roy, Mac was on the button as soon as the chicane was cut.

You can actually hear, if you listen closely, the revs drop and LH gingerly squeezed second, then was looking right, saw KR coming, KR went past and then he floored it.

It all happened so quickly it was over in a couple of seconds.

Problem for the muppets in the stewards box, it happened even too quickly for them to make a rational, logical and reasonable decision without looking like a bunch of amateur hack wankers.

Muppets.

[dezz]

It's not speculation when the governing body has made a ruling

As for the talk of adrenaline etc, thats great. He gets paid squillions of dollars to control himself. Yes he's human, humans make mistakes. Sometimes they get penalised for them.

Couldn't sleep

[m3gtr]

It's not speculation when the governing body has made a ruling

You sound like Mosley when you say that, you know?

The governing body is corrupt and biased...oh and headed by a slimy neo nazi leather clad gas chamber pussywhipped daddiesboy who likes to take more of "ze punishment" while his wifes at home making tea and crumpets.

They made a ruling, the ruling was a pile of borderline shit, made by a bunch of "Know nothing of motorsport-whack job-muppet hacks", who willingly or unwillingly manipulated, yet again, the course of the WDC...

Even you can admit that, Dezzo. COME ON! Admit it! LH rocked your jocks on Sundy.

The biggest f**k up in all this bullshit was the FIA and the 3 stooges in the box.

You know the funniest part? They all report to Charlie Whiting...

And RD was on record saying CW said everyhting was A-OK.

What the f**k is really going on here???

[salad]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70435

This guy is not a "Know nothing of motorsport-whack job-muppet hack" and knows more than anybody in this forum about racing. He sees it as the right decision made by the stewards and it's not as if he has anything to gain out of Louise losing 4 WDC points now is there?

Edited September 9, 2008 by salad

[Roy]

His comments cover my thoughts/posts nicely

"When you attack on the outside, you do it at your own risk, because who's on the inside has the right to do the corner. If there isn't enough room, then you lift.

"Had there been a wall there, instead of the surfaced escape route, would Lewis have attacked anyway? Had there been gravel, he wouldn't have had the chance to attack when rejoining the track because of dirty tyres."

And Adam, your postr about having never raced cars???? I dont get your point. Neither have you so you are guessing as much as the rest of us, or going on what you have read just like the rest of us. Fact is a big part of racing is controlling your emotions, to ensure you dont overdrive the car, make a mistake, damage something. When they let it all hang out and are human is when its fun to watch....but not good driving from the teams perspective

[m3gtr]

Jarno Trulli should have stayed out of this instead of getting involved in an incident he was in no way anywhere near to ( apart from what all of us and the rest of the world saw ), nor qualified to comment on instead of as another racer who knows as much about racecraft as the rest of us who do.

All he has seen is what all of us also saw.

It astounds me that he has spoken out in this way and no doubt many in the paddock will be equally as shocked.

Motivation? Who knows.

JT, there was no wall. There was no gravel. To argue that things might have been different if there were, is just conjecture and no different to the rest of the arguments raging around this issue. There was a corner LH thought he could take and it is clear he had the speed and grip to make the outside work but KR CLOSED the door. That is not the point here, is it?

He has added nothing to this argument other than the fact he is also an F1 driver nowhere near the incident, lapped and down at the back of the field.

JT, is just hypothesizing on an eventuality that never actually happened.

Its all hot air and ...actually...i have no idea why he thought he should wade into this.

Thats really strange.

[m3gtr]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70435

This guy is not a "Know nothing of motorsport-whack job-muppet hack" and knows more than anybody in this forum about racing. He sees it as the right decision made by the stewards and it's not as if he has anything to gain out of Louise losing 4 WDC points now is there?

Oh and JT isn not one of the 3 muppets who made the call to strip LH of the win.

If i ever see him again, i would ask him, "Would you have done the same thing as the stewards in Spa?"

"If there isn't enough room, then you lift."

Well he did lift and the rest is history.

This wall and gravel bullshit is ridiculous coming from a guy who had absolutely nothing to do with the incident at hand.

[Roy]

I agree...its just another example of their being no valid view point other then that presented by Adam

[m3gtr]

I agree...its just another example of their being no valid view point other then that presented by Adam

Roy, JT offered nothing new or incisive!

We all knew it anyway. We all saw it probably before he did, lol.

We ALL knew exactly what was going on before he decided to flap his gums to the worlds press.

What, exactly, was going on there i wonder??

[m3gtr]

This was the EXACT argument i made to an F1 website and this is the EXACT person i nominated as the man to head it.

Go Jackie! Youre one of the only h¥onest bastards left in the sport...although i dont think max will let you any where near the box for fear of you being fair and unbiased...

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4120502,00.html

Yeah okay, Jackie Stewart a multiple F1 champion during its most dangerous years, has stated what ive been saying all along.

Okay guys. You can go with JT - a one time GP winner.

Im going to stick with Jackie.

Good luck.

[salad]

Are you trying to say that JT's opinion is about as useful as your's Adam? The point is, he IS and F1 driver and he does know more than the rest of us, that's why he's driving in F1 and we're not. So, I think his opinion of the matter is pretty relevent in this situation.

Lets also not forget that a precedent has been set back in Suzuka 05, there is a penalty for what Louise did, it just wasn't a post race penalty that time.

You will now bring up Ferrari not being punished for other things that they should have been punished for, which is fair enough, but there still was a crime that deserved punishment at Spa. If you want to bitch, do it about Ferrari or anyone else not getting punished, not about Louise getting punished for something he did wrong.

But enough of this, your "unbiased" opinion is better.