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meh manufacturers always come and go in f1, ferrari included.

sorry wut?

Ferrari have contested every season since the inception of the F1 championship

have you been gazing into your crystal ball Drunkan?

This is the bit that grabbed my attention:

"When they win the constructors' championship, which they did this year, they got $80 million more than if McLaren had won it.

Bernie must really get some heartburn everytime another outrageous FIA decision goes against McLaren- He has to cough up an extra 80 mil when Ferrari win the WCC!

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I hate the off season, nothing to do but re-watch 2008 GPs, there were some good ones.

Really hope that this year there is a shake up and the likes of Williams can get back up there, i hope they at least beat Toyota so that if the squeeze gets tighter they might pull the pin on their operation and throw their support behind Williams.

Also, i have to laugh. Tata the dodgy Indian manufacturer now owns Jaguar and Range Rover. They are throwing their money into the rign with Ferrari probably trying to buy the sporting flair that their cars seriously lack. So if they have enough money to throw at Ferrari for sponsorship why are they crying poor to the English Govt asking for hand outs to keep Jaguar afloat. Man big business sucks, the worse things get financially the ricer the big companie get :domokun:

what are these rumours of toyota pulling out?

There are rumours in Japan Toyota are thinking about 09 as their last. The just made their first loss in the history of the company. Lets face it being in F1 doesnt help sell Camrys really. F1 has become obsolute and incredibly boring to watch. I reckon Toyota could put the 200 mill a year to better use.

meh manufacturers always come and go in f1, ferrari included. they aren't really the backbone of f1, the innovative motorsport engineer teams are. the place would be much better if the manufacturers left, budgets would immediately fall by miles

Yeah I dont know what year that was??? Sorry incorrect

Scuderia Ferrari

Debut: Monaco 1950

Drivers' titles: 15

Constructors' titles: 16

Races Competed: 775

Wins: 209

Pole positions: 203

Toyota arent going anywhere. Honda was such a shock for F1 that if another large manufacturer was to plan on pulling out, im sure F1 management would step in big time.

They cant afford to lose another team and i think toyota realises the potential 2009 has to reset the playing field a little.

This is all BS if u ask me. Why couldnt they keep 08 spec cars, add slicks, an 'overboost' button and only allow aero upgrades once a year or everyone has the same aero etc Would have cost alot less!

So who gets the privilidge of starting the 2009 thread?

And we should put in our picks now for who is going to win first race, the championship and constructors :laugh:

Im biased. Alonso, Alonso, Renault. lol

I'd love to see a Tata salesman trying to talk someone into buying their cars. "We are partners with ferrari in F1, so all our cars are made in partnership with Ferrari. You sir, are in fact, looking at a ferrari!!!"

Doesn't Toyota have one of the biggest budgets in the paddock?

Massive budget + no results = no idea.

Yes but F1 is one of the few things in the world where money spent doesnt directly relate to amount of success or gain.

When Renault/Alonso won those 2 drivers and constructors titles, Renault wasnt spending anywhere near Ferrari or Mclaren.

And Toyota joined F1 very late. I think they have done well considering.

They are definately a team that forumula one needs, especially being the largest car producer etc

I think Honda have the most to explain, they have spent billions since they recently rejoined F1, and repeatedly their cars have just been too far off the pace in every season.

Plus Honda annoys me: They have the knowledge/power/money/technology etc to make some amazing cars. Including something benchmarking like the R35, yet all they do is release front wheel drive uglyness.

What is Honda's fastest currently available production car? :(

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