Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Turk1]

For anyone who wants to use supps to build muscle mass.... BSN FTW!!!

I was on BSN True Mass, not a bad protein but has ALOT of carbs in it..alot of fillers.

Currently on BSC Monster Mass..chuking some oats in with my shakes, drinking three times a day. All together I am eating 7 imes a day, weights monday to friday with a boxing class on Saturdays

[topher_]

LOL you got hooked. Stick the basic principles of training and that will give you progress, not the gimic sh*t in the fancy covers. Protein + Carb's + Train Hard + Rest.

you mean protein, carbs, CALORIES, GLUCOSE, train hard and rest.

RIGHT? RIGHT?

[NZM.031]

gday mate...

first off, what sort of body type are you?? do you struggle to put weight on, ectomorph?? struggle to keep fat off, endomorph?? or can do just about anything you want and stay lean and build muscle?? damn mesomorphs!

you have to establish that before undertaking trainging and diet routine.. for years i have been training like an animal, 4 times a week, eating monsterous amounts of food, and ive only grown a little bit, whereas other guys who go once or twice a week and then eat take away food all the time were getting bigger..

i realised i was training completly wrong for my body type.. now i train once a week.. doing a cycle of 4 routines per month.. and hitting it hard and letting my body rest for a week.. still consuming lots of food, but no supplements. it seems to be working.

cheers

Linton

[topher_]

Diet and form > *. Don't worry about trying to look like a tough flamin mongrel lifting 5000kg bench press if you can't do it right, form is more important than how much you can lift. Once your form is spot on, add more weight. I tend not to cheat reps either.... if i can't do another rep i'll do a drop set instead of cheating another 2 or 3

Also don't pay too much attention to supplements, all you need is a whey isolate and glucose.

[Birds]

Agree 100% with form. That's a big thing so heavily neglected at gymnasiums and it's often ruined by spotters or weight heroes. I laugh when I see people getting spotters to help them do too much weight on a lat pulldown machine, for example. You should be able to complete a gym workout by yourself. If the weight is too heavy, drop it and do more sets + reps. This said, once you have your form downpat, you will need to increase weight as it gets to the point where your muscles will only tone and sustain what you already have on the given weight. Just make sure it doesn't compromise your form! If you're wanting to bulk up weight and get more than just athletic muscle you'll need to eat yourself stupid too.

Oh yeah, pyramid workout FTW

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[NZM.031]

amen with form... form first. i can squat 100kg with bad form... or 40kg with perfect form.. 40kg works my legs much more then 100kg.

drop sets ftw... aslong as you are taking it to failure, or as close to failure as possible... your muscles are after that failure rep to grow, however there needs to be a certain rep range in order to work different muscle fibres... so dont just rack up your 1 rep max and go for it. its the whole "what doesnt kill you makes you stronger" thing, thats how your muscles work... by lifting weights, you are hurting your muscles, ripping them to shreds... then mr protein comes along and repairs them... then they grow so next time you lift the weight, they can handle it.. little beknowns to them little muscle fibres, you know this, and have racked on 5kg more.. and they have to do it again.

cheers

Linton

[Birds]

True that ^

Hence the term "no pain, no gain". Just make sure it's a tired muscle pain and not a joint or ligament pain!

[freshgear]

Agree 100% with form. That's a big thing so heavily neglected at gymnasiums and it's often ruined by spotters or weight heroes. I laugh when I see people getting spotters to help them do too much weight on a lat pulldown machine, for example. You should be able to complete a gym workout by yourself. If the weight is too heavy, drop it and do more sets + reps. This said, once you have your form downpat, you will need to increase weight as it gets to the point where your muscles will only tone and sustain what you already have on the given weight. Just make sure it doesn't compromise your form! If you're wanting to bulk up weight and get more than just athletic muscle you'll need to eat yourself stupid too.

Oh yeah, pyramid workout FTW

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I agree with the most of your post, but that isn't always true. If for example you're training for strength and working three reps at 90% of your 1RM on the bench press, you would want a spotter. But for the most, you are right and a lot of people at gyms follow horrible form.

[LTHLRB]

21 and 63Kgs at 6foot isnt much fun...

yeah u just need to eat a shitload of calories and carbs to gain good weight... i mean clean calories, not lollies chocolate and maccas.

[Luke_GTS-T]

im not gonna bother reading whole thread.

muscletech products are shit.

Optimum Nutrition are the way to go.

[LTHLRB]

only thing i would recommend from MT is their Cell Tech.. Even then BSN Cell Mass is heaps better than mt

Edited August 11, 2009 by LTHLRB

[ctjet]

i been hitting the gym agian this year and really enjoying being back

going for a run a few times a week is fantastic, helps push that one extra rep

[Yo-Yo]

I've been back in the gym for the last 8 months or so, glad I did. I go 3 times a week mon,wed,fri

I'm back in shape and really only go now to maintain my lean muscle

while I'm still packing a little bit of body fat on my sides it's only small now and nowhere near as bad as I let myself get to, let's just say if someone saw me 8 months ago and only just saw me now the difference would be night and day

[Birds]

I agree with the most of your post, but that isn't always true. If for example you're training for strength and working three reps at 90% of your 1RM on the bench press, you would want a spotter. But for the most, you are right and a lot of people at gyms follow horrible form.

I agree, a spotter can certainly be beneficial to your training program. But I seldom see it where someone is spotting correctly. Many provide too much assistance IMO and I've never had need for one...you can always dropset until you reach failure as opposed to using a spotter.

[topher_]

I agree, a spotter can certainly be beneficial to your training program. But I seldom see it where someone is spotting correctly. Many provide too much assistance IMO and I've never had need for one...you can always dropset until you reach failure as opposed to using a spotter.

When i train with my mate we only spot once we get stuck. We barely lift help them lift it and then after they punch out that spotted rep it's drop set time

[Birds]

Good stuff...I've only ever had a barbell collapse on me once (not fun) - back when I didn't know my body enough to know my limitations. But these days I can push myself to the point where people come over and ask me if I need help...because the last rep takes me about 6/7 seconds to push up and it looks like I'm headed for failure haha.

A good spotter should only be there to catch the weight should it fall, towards the end of the set, and even then they should be making you struggle to get it up. I do find it terrific self/mental discipline to be doing it by yourself though...nothing exercises willpower like the knowledge this thing will collapse on you if you don't push it

[NZM.031]

+1 ^

i had a bar on my chest with 10kg on it, was doing a warm up set and just lowered it a little bit too far at the end of the set... from then on, if i was in the gym and alone, i use the smith machine for safety.. nothing looks dumber than having 10kg on your chest. haha.

im with birds on the discipline.. i train alone... in my garage... no distractions, no f#&kwits, no judging, no shame.

1 year of gym membership = 1 piece of equipment per year. after 3 years, i have a power rack, olympic bar, ez curl bar, dumbells, 200kg of rubber coated weights, adjustable bench, power tower, heavy bag, speed bag, floor to ceiling bag, nice rubber flooring, and this year i will be purchasing a leg press and some more weights and next year i will be building a proper room for it all to get it out of the garage so i can get some room back for tools and machines.

i worked out at fitness first last year... it was so frustrating being there with the crowds... the groups of testorone filled 21 yr olds, all huddled around the one leg press chatting, laughing, chekcing out the chicks, all doing 4 sets of 20 to look tough.. so annoying.

2 things get me through my workouts... 1. ronny coleman "light weight baby, light weight!" and 2. john cena can bench 250kg.

check out bodybuilding.com for just about everything you want to know, however like all websites, you cant trust everything and have to pick your way through the crap..

rosstraining.com is brilliant also, ross enamit is a genius with some of his little inventions and workout ideas.

cheers

Linton

[Nick033]

ok so im now coming to the end of my first lot of sups

i am using mri black powder and pro-nos whey isolate complex, so far it has been gud the black powder has given me alot more energy while training and the pro-nos doesnt make me feel as hungry as i usually wud throughout the day and i feel alot better i general, as for training ive been doing weights but just as much cardio as im trying to lose this f**kin layer of fat around my waist,

might try something different for the next lot maybe a creatine supp, i was thinking of giving no xplode a go of just going the full mri stack of black powder , pro-nos and war

any pointers?

cheers Nick

[kralster]

don't bother with the cardio to lose weight. Cardio is to increase endurance.

Losing weight is simply eating right, and if you have a good lifting plan, lift 3 times a wekk, eat clean, eat often you'll lose weight.

[Nick033]

yer i have really cracked down on wat i eat lately and just keep it as healty as possible, also i dont wanna just lift weights i want to able to run and have that endurance there so i will keep the cardio in there just not as much as i have been doing

cheers nick