Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Portia]

hey Madbung, why are bananas so good for you? can we hear some more of your thoughts, i'm v interested. excuse my ignorance please. I thought banans were a fattening food, like pasta? although this is contested (It's v confusing). I am trying not to eat animal proteins for the last month as I am worried about getting cancer and eating more beans, quinoa, etc and lots of veggies and salads and I have noticed some weight loss but it is much easier to lose weight eating lots more animal protein. I don't want to bulk up at all, I just want to eat healthy and live a long life so I try to avoid synthetic products. I find all of the advice very confusing and hard to know how to treat your body right - I mean you can change your house, your clothes, your job, etc but you have to look after your 'temple' (lol in before everyone calls me a hippie) because it's the only one we have. Is it ok to have a restricted diet for a while (6-8 months) or can this cause lasting damage? I know I have asked a fair few questions but I hope some responses can be put forward.

[Portia]

also NickR33 keep up your fitness efforts, good on you. Keep up the motivating self talk and focus on a goal outside yourself like a holiday or something. Don't dwell on your physique because everyday you are investing in your health by working out. I'm inspired by you, great job pal.

[NickR33]

please tell me your not buying into the meat gives you cancer argument... seriously that's ridiculous... bananas are great for you, just not great for your wallet atm

edit: thanks!

[Hanaldo]

Are you sure all 8kg of it was muscle

When you put on muscle, some fat usually comes with it...

You'll always be able to power clean more than you can clean and jerk.

Lol yeh no, when I say 8kg of muscle mass I mean I have put on about 5kg since I started but have lost a fair bit of fat, I am much more toned. Personal trainer worked it out as roughly 8kgs of gain, but you're right in saying not all of it would be muscle.

[Portia]

no worries nickr333. yeah i am worried about it. it's (cancer) so prevalent i'd like to do anything to avoid it. I do have chicken or steak every couple of weeks i guess, I'm not that full on but it's very hard to know which 'expert' to believe, you know?

[Birds]

When I was taking protein shakes, I must have put on about 8kg in 3 months...scared the shit out of me how fast I was gaining...but then I realised half was fat. So now I'm trying to work off that half lol. And I'm scared to get back on them because I much prefer the lean, athletic look to the bulky bodybuiler physique I started to develop. Though I think in part that had something to do with me not running at the time. Maybe running + protein shakes will avoid gaining the bad kind of weight?

And as far as foods being carcinogenic...f**k that, you can get various forms of cancer from walking outside your house these days. If you're going to get it, you're going to get it. Happens to people who eat healthy and exercise their whole lives, unfortunately.

[NickR33]

humans have been eating meat since the beginning of existence... we've only been farming and processing grains for the last few 1000 years (not a very long time from an evolutionary stand point) hence the argument against large amounts of simple/processed carbs

eat like a caveman, get lots of exercise and sleep, avoid processed foods, smoking etc... that's about the best you can do IMHO... oh and stop worrying... stress is a killer and can stop you from losing fat etc

[adznight]

It can be done guys I've dropped 7kg's in 8 weeks. High protein/good fats during the week and then carb load after my Friday night weight session though to Sat night with good quality carbs like pasta, breads, rice. I can even eat yummy stuff like Pizza etc. I eat 6 times a day. It's basically a CKD for shedding/keeping off fat and maintaining muscle (and building in small amounts).

I also to 2x 2-3 hours Ice skating sessions for Ice Hockey which helps with the cardio I guess (I HATE Cardio)

Breakfast - 3-4 eggs scrambled, 3-4 lean peices of bacon

Snack - Protein shake with 30ml flax or a handful of walnuts

Lunch - Chicken or Fish or Meat with steamed vegies and a handful of nuts later

Snack - More Nuts or more meat

Dinner - Chicken or Fish or Meat with a nice salad w/ hard boiled eggs, cheese and lean bacon added (I don't like dressing)

Snack - Nuts, protein bar or anything that fit the model.

On my carb load I'm consuming up to 3000cal of good carbs alone, man it's heaven lol.

I've had my cholesterol checked and it's very good. My digestive system feel really good (less gas etc) and I feel tops, holding less fluid etc.

This is by far the most maintainable eating plan I've ever been on and I'm loosing weigh quite well. Mind you I don't drink anymore though and I avoid sugar full stop so yeah, there are some things that have to give.

Eating plans don't work for everyone though, I've tried a lot and had little success but this works for me.

With regards to fat gain with Protein Bird, check what kind of protein you were using. Was it a mass gainer type high in carbs or a lean type? It's a simple formula - calories in, calories out. If you're smashing the shakes but not using the emery, you're going to gain fat, just not as easily as carbs and fats.

[NickR33]

a lot of those supps are full of sugar and other crap Birds... my old man is a PT and into all this stuff, he recommends a protein supp that doesn't have any of the other crap... I don't take it because its expensive and tastes like arse lol

edit: I can get the name of it if your keen

[Portia]

adzmax, for your lunch do you go home and steam your veggies etc? how do you do it at work? or is it a frozen meal? 7kgs in 8 weeks is v impressive.

at the risk of possibly being banned (lol) can i ask anyone tried BodyTrim or the like where they say you can lose 5kgs in 5 days?

[NickR33]

you may lose 5kg but its almost certainly mostly water... which you will put straight back on

there are NO magic cures... speaking of water, drink plenty... and stay away from fizzy drinks, even the 'diet' ones

Adz plan he posted is great, I do a similar thing just without the protein shakes... I carb load Fri night and Sat as well... soooooo good I'm drooling as I type

[Nanogrip]

I like Adzmax's meal plan, good stuff. Will try to work something similar as it is not so easy as of the moment, with the job and the exorbitant cost of health foods, fugg this place.

[Portia]

adz can u show before and after pics? well done

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Yeah adz, show us your sexeh

Ive got the same prob as Nick and dare i say, that fat phag Birds. Got a layer of fat over what I would assume is an awesome set of abs. Ive ditchedaround 12kg in weight over the 6 months but put on plenty of size. Im training 6 days doing 1 muscle group per day (great home gym), I walk most days (6km) and hit the bike for 10mins on a pretty high resistance (10) on second front and 7th rear. The gut is dissapearing slowly, just gotta keep at it.

I drink beer and eat pizza on weekends, sick.

[Portia]

Good on you RBNT, you'll be in the best shape of your life soon

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Not really, I was in the best shape of my life from 16 - 28.

[Nee-san]

f**king german by the looks of it LOL.

Just restarted the gym part of my training last week, good god Am I sore.

I usually run about 70+ KM a week, will this be hurting my strength growth substantially ?

[God_speed]

On my

With regards to fat gain with Protein Bird, check what kind of protein you were using. Was it a mass gainer type high in carbs or a lean type? It's a simple formula - calories in, calories out. If you're smashing the shakes but not using the emery, you're going to gain fat, just not as easily as carbs and fats.

Agree - I've got two types, one for before bed with just protein negligible carbs e.g. musashi 92, and another for post workout which has some carb (simple sugar) which helps get an insulin spike needed after working out. E.g. Musashi bulk.

[Portia]

nee-san, won't running that much ruin your knees?

[Nee-san]

nee-san, won't running that much ruin your knees?

Something I need to go see a specialist about really as ive averaged probably 3000+KM a year since I was younger early high school, I'm 21 Now

not a single injury/ feel fine but I get the feeling it might catch up with me eventually.

On another note.

Who wants to make me a workout plan ?