Gym And Supplement Discussion

[kawasakirider]

For me, spewing is a fitness thing. What I mean by that is, (and I never go on a treadmil or bike), the weights session is stressing your body past it's fitness level that it's going into survival mode which is to clear the stomach so blood flow can go to the muscles instead of being used in the stomach to digest food etc, in laemons terms. This may or may not be correct, or even remotely close to the mark /lol

Re: recovery - you should be eating every 3hrs and trying for 8hrs sleep at night. You will go backwards until your body adapts to the workload and needs more stimulus. Just keep training.

Thanks mate, I don't intend to stop it's kinda weird going and seeing all these huge C*** benching more weight than a VW golf, though I'll fix my diet as best I can and keep going.

[Trozzle]

Perfect. that's how I see the banana flavor.

@trozz, yeah I'll be there by 5. Did u want to buy some from BN? Ill be ordering this week we could save on postage.

f**k lol I literally bought some last night after this reminded me. Balls, wouldn't save *that* much though.

I should be there around 5 then

[Birds]

For Bulk Nutrients and Ultimate Nutrition, both vanilla and chocolate and very decent flavours. Of course they're one of the prime ones and hence will generally be fine, but I've been happy that they don't have a stupid aftertaste or anything.

Bulk Nutrient's banana flavour was also pretty good, if you like the "fake" taste of those banana lollies.

Only strawberry I've tried was from a brand I can't recall off the top of my head. Took me like 4 months to get through 5kg. Tasted nasty.

When were you using UN? Was it Iso-Mass Xtreme Gainer? This week I started back on it, after 2 years of not using any supplements. I can't believe how much stuff they cram into it, if it's all true: complex carbs, BCAAs, creatines, dextrose, glutamines, vitamins etc. The serving size is 153g, so I guess it makes sense when you compare it to BN. I was a little hesitant about getting back on it, as I'm sure all the carbs contributed to my annoying fat gain last time (along with stuffing my face stupid and a complete lack of cardio), but I do need the extra energy cause I'm struggling with the intensity of my workouts at the moment and plateauing in some areas. Might diet properly and maintain cardio this time around to keep the fat off. If I get fat again, I'll switch to BN for a pure dose of protein and no carbs.

Fuck I've still got a tub of PVL left from when GNC didn't have any UN in stock, and the douchebag salesman said it was the closest they had to UN in terms of taste and make up - bullshit! Fucking GNC!

Is there anything you guys would add to my workout?

There's plenty that I'd change about it, but you've only just started training, which is most likely the reason you're not seeing consistent strength through your work outs. When starting out you should give more than 1 days rest between workouts, particularly if they are the same workout each time. Ease into it, and don't stress about doing or surpassing what you did last work out. It could take a couple of weeks before your muscles become adjusted to being broken down and repaired. Train, eat, rest.

[S T A R 3 3]

GNC= Got No Clue

[kawasakirider]

When were you using UN? Was it Iso-Mass Xtreme Gainer? This week I started back on it, after 2 years of not using any supplements. I can't believe how much stuff they cram into it, if it's all true: complex carbs, BCAAs, creatines, dextrose, glutamines, vitamins etc. The serving size is 153g, so I guess it makes sense when you compare it to BN. I was a little hesitant about getting back on it, as I'm sure all the carbs contributed to my annoying fat gain last time (along with stuffing my face stupid and a complete lack of cardio), but I do need the extra energy cause I'm struggling with the intensity of my workouts at the moment and plateauing in some areas. Might diet properly and maintain cardio this time around to keep the fat off. If I get fat again, I'll switch to BN for a pure dose of protein and no carbs.

Fuck I've still got a tub of PVL left from when GNC didn't have any UN in stock, and the douchebag salesman said it was the closest they had to UN in terms of taste and make up - bullshit! Fucking GNC!

There's plenty that I'd change about it, but you've only just started training, which is most likely the reason you're not seeing consistent strength through your work outs. When starting out you should give more than 1 days rest between workouts, particularly if they are the same workout each time. Ease into it, and don't stress about doing or surpassing what you did last work out. It could take a couple of weeks before your muscles become adjusted to being broken down and repaired. Train, eat, rest.

So it won't be beneficial for me to be doing the same routine every second day until I get used to it? How long would you space it out for? I went the day before yesterday, should I leave it until tomorrow?

Thanks for the advice, Birds.

[Birds]

You can do it until you get used to it if you like, I see no big harm as it doesn't look like a particularly intense routine...but as a newbie you could still be overtraining and it's probably better to let your muscles recover properly and then go back to it. It's okay if they are a little sore when you do your next work out, but if you're struggling for reps then it's a good indication they haven't recovered properly.

[Trozzle]

Nah birds, I had the Muscle Juice revolution from UN. stupidly high carbs per serve lol, so only took half suggested size.

[Dani Boi]

The spewing/headaches could be because of dehydration, are you drinking enough water during the day and throughout your workout?

I'm not sure what your goals are so it's hard to say if that routine is suitable.

Edited February 29, 2012 by Dani Boi

[kawasakirider]

The spewing/headaches could be because of dehydration, are you drinking enough water during the day and throughout your workout?

I'm not sure what your goals are so it's hard to say if that routine is suitable.

I don't have a clear goal at this point in time, I do want to get bigger and put on lean mass. Not sure how big I'd like to be? The answer to the question is no, I haven't been drinking or eating enough each time I've gone. I'm going to fix that up before I go next time. I'll go tomorrow, I've been carrying fridges all day and haven't eaten or had anything to drink since last night. Probably my biggest problem.

Edited February 29, 2012 by kawasakirider

[kawasakirider]

You can do it until you get used to it if you like, I see no big harm as it doesn't look like a particularly intense routine...but as a newbie you could still be overtraining and it's probably better to let your muscles recover properly and then go back to it. It's okay if they are a little sore when you do your next work out, but if you're struggling for reps then it's a good indication they haven't recovered properly.

I'll keep going every second day, maybe the exercises I struggle with I'll do first, so I'm not as tired? I'll have an extra day off as I feel pretty shit house today, but I'll start eating properly as of tomorrow. I bought all the stuff to eat last night, just had a busy day today.

[NickR33]

don't set your expectations too high at first, just concentrate on eating well, drinking plenty of water (i agree with Dan on the dehydration) and making it to the gym 3 times a week consistently...

don't be too concerned with going heavy, you can get a better workout going a bit lighter and making sure your technique is spot on with a nice full ROM... leave it to the guys who have been at it for a few years to be lifting really heavy and cheating on form... you need to know how to do something correctly before you can start breaking the rules

the exercises you find the most difficult are definitely the ones you should do first... also make sure to rotate through so your not always doing them in the same order

listen to your body... soreness is fine to train through (in fact it helps with soreness) but general fatigue, poor sleep etc are the things to watch

[R31Nismoid]

Bulk nutrients strawberry is good, I've gone through 15-20 kg of it. I drink it with water and it tastes fine, not to bland or too sweet.

I found it had a sweeter type taste than Chocolate.

Not a problem though

[dezz]

Wasn't a big fan of their chocolate, but as I've said a hundred times, it's not something I drink for pleasure so as long as it's not rancid tasting I'll get it down and get over it..

Their chocolate definitely isn't as sweet as something like dymatize ISO 100 though, that shit tastes like drinking cake mix

[S T A R 3 3]

Dymatize Strawberry is poo poo. Tastes like kids medicine.. minus the medicinal properties (and kids).

[Trozzle]

"SAN 100% pure platinum whey" is what I got in strawberry. Never again lol

[GTR_JOEY]

Good work, though 1kg is marginal and can be the difference between dropping the kids off at the pool or skipping a meal, does look better in the second. How much more are you planning to lose? You will probably lose a tiny bit of muscle mass and strength, but not that much and it's definitely worth the trade off.

cheers for the replys guys

Not really sure how much i plan on getting down to, atm just going to go with how i look in the mirror as appose to a "set kg figure", im not on the biggest loser so i dont really wanna lose much more but we'll see how it goes

in terms of strength ive lost a little bit, id say maybe 5% overall but im fine with that (though atm im doing more muscle endurance training and focusing on really good form to try and break up the workout routine),..

body weight strenght exercises have definatly imporoved and my fitness level for circuits have also improved

also i havent had shin splints in the last couple of weeks and i feel very comfortable running again (ran a 2.4km in 9:40 the other day, possibly could have shaved another 10-15 seconds if i didnt start so slow)

will keep the updates coming anyway

[SoFreshSoClean]

I'd be interested to see what you guys think of my current routine/ how I'm doing.

In terms of the bigger lifts I'm a 65kg guy and I'm doing:

55kg bench

75kg deadlifts

60kg squats (these are dumbbell squats, I don't have a squat rack )

[rev210]

I'd be interested to see what you guys think of my current routine/ how I'm doing.

In terms of the bigger lifts I'm a 65kg guy and I'm doing:

55kg bench

75kg deadlifts

60kg squats (these are dumbbell squats, I don't have a squat rack )

Routine isn't great but, without knowing your goals which way to fix it could be different answers.

For a start doing triceps and biceps on the same day isn't a good idea. It's counter productive to a point.

Post what your goal is and I'm sure people can chime in to help.

[No Crust Racing]

I've got an interesting one for you all this morning gents.

I've noticed that for the last, say 6 weeks? I stink when I sweat. I've always had OK BO when I exercise, sure I get sweaty and you can smell that I've been exercising but not like it has been recently.

At first I thought perhaps it was that I was back on a supplement and was getting too much protein. I had a quick look around the place and worked out that for a guy my weight 81kg, I should be getting roughly 67-70g protein a day, and I'd say on my "max" protein days where I've had a big hit of supplement and had meat for dinner/lunch that I might be reaching that, so in reality, as I exercise I should be able to safely have more without issue.

Then I suspected maybe I am having too much fish oil (which I take daily for my joints) but I'm only having 1500mg and the RDI is safely around 3000mg.

I changed my search from "omg I stink BO wtf" to "exercise sweat change in odour" (not exact wording but you get me) and ended up with this link.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ammonia.htm

What do you guys think about that? To me it makes sense as I am getting plenty of protein and amino's from my supps and diet but have gone from a 40min workout 3 times weekly to a more intense 60min workout 3 times weekly, so an extra hour per week plus increased intensity and weight loads, and here's the killer, I realised last night that I have not been eating anything more than usual beyond the supplement. That link explains that there's a good chance I am not getting enough Carbs so my body switches to burning amino acids, the process of which leaves behind nitrogen which makes its way to the kidneys and either gets out via urine or sweat, and admittedly I have not been drinking enough water with my new busier job.

Anyone else come across the change in BO when exercising? Think the link is BS or right on the money? I know I can simply test by eating some carbs but I don't wanna end up with a surplus and get fat.

Edited February 29, 2012 by ActionDan

[Birds]

Dymatize Strawberry is poo poo. Tastes like kids

wut.

cheers for the replys guys

Not really sure how much i plan on getting down to, atm just going to go with how i look in the mirror as appose to a "set kg figure", im not on the biggest loser so i dont really wanna lose much more but we'll see how it goes

in terms of strength ive lost a little bit, id say maybe 5% overall but im fine with that (though atm im doing more muscle endurance training and focusing on really good form to try and break up the workout routine),..

body weight strenght exercises have definatly imporoved and my fitness level for circuits have also improved

also i havent had shin splints in the last couple of weeks and i feel very comfortable running again (ran a 2.4km in 9:40 the other day, possibly could have shaved another 10-15 seconds if i didnt start so slow)

will keep the updates coming anyway

Yeah well that's it, the scales can only ever be a guide for you and more important is how you look in the mirror. It can be a bad thing to get obsessed with the scales - when I was trying to get heavier, I got obsessed with that kg figure and didn't pay attention to my disappearing abs