Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Birds]

Shit birds, I better let all those Olympic lifters that squat 3 times a day, 6 days a week that they may be overtraining their quads

FFS

Relax Markos, not everyone is training to be the strongest in the world.

[TM7GTR]

i think it depends on how you feel to be honest.

personally I cant stand doing chest and then shoulders a day later and thats all due to the pain i get in my chest, makes it awkward and uncomfortable to do shoulders and I feel i dont do as much as i could and should.

if you think you get a better workout in the way youre doing it now, then by all means continue, there is no 'one size fits all' solution when it comes to working out.

but hey thats my opinion.

You're opinion is a very good one on this topic. Overtraining is a lot harder to achieve than most people seem to think no matter what your training history is, because it's not a training-only related term.

If you're eating well, sleeping well, and recovering well, smash out as much training as you want.

I had a big session last night, truly tried to wreck myself... could barely climb the gyms stairs to go to the toilet... but 30min later I felt great again, energized etc

Sounds like you took a truly great poo

[NickR33]

lol, gold!

[markos]

Birds, incorrect info is incorrect info

I didnt mention the lifters goal, I just pointed out that lifters all over the world can train much, much harder than most realize is possible

The f**king internet is guilty of making lifters pissweak by sprouting out garbage

[Birds]

Someone's (notice I said "someone" and not "lifter") goals and level of conditioning are very relevant when giving training advice. Would you start a newbie on 3 x squat sessions a day, 6 times a week? Or do you have a beginners program?

I was just making sure he has adequate rest/recovery...which is important to muscle growth. People the world over disagree over training methods, and that's fine, you're welcome to your opinion, but trashing others as garbage just because you disagree is a bit narrow minded.

[Mitcho_7]

Where can I get some chalk powder or something to help grip barbells better for shrugs, deadlifts and bent over rows?

Im findin it hard to grip them for 12 reps when my hands are sweaty.

I deally I'd like to keep it as mess free as possible though. Or should I just use straps?

Edited September 5, 2012 by Mitcho_7

[Trozzle]

Where can I get some chalk powder or something to help grip barbells better for shrugs, deadlifts and bent over rows?

Im findin it hard to grip them for 12 reps when my hands are sweaty.

I deally I'd like to keep it as mess free as possible though. Or should I just use straps?

just use straps mate, you'll quickly find the staff having a go at you for using chalk in the gym

Otherwise if you're gonna give it a shot, any outdoors adventure style place should have chalk for rockclimbers.

[TM7GTR]

yeah, unless you train in a gym like Markos runs, sand gets all up in many different vaginas about chalk use.

[TTT]

outdoors places also sell a gel type thing that climbers use.

this kind of stuff.

doesn't leave a mess

Or you can just use chalk then wipe it with your towel.

To the guy talking about getting a better tricep workout if doing them with shoulders instead of bench.

obviously you understand that they are used during bench and that is why you can't do as much on tricep specific exercises after.

I don't see why you see this as a bad thing.

That is like seperating Dumbbell flys on a seperate day to Barbell bench press because the chest is too tired to do them after benching.

the whole point of lifting weights is to get stronger, work a muscle etc etc.

Doing a movement which recruits the most muscles is what you want.

If you can work your chest, shoulders and triceps in one movement, why then spend another day doing a bit of it.

Flat bench, then some close grip bench or parallel bar dips and your pecs, delts and tris are done.

doesn't matter if you can't lift as much for the second exercise because it's already been worked on the first.

[Mitcho_7]

I think I'll just go for the straps.

The reason I switched from doing tris after chest and bis after back to shoulders/tris and chest/bis is purely because I feel my arms are lagging a little. My chest is 41.5" cold with no pump, but my arms are only like 14" or so cold without flexing. I'm nothappy with the way it looks because my arms don't have the thickness to match my delts.

I have been doing the other split for a fair while and thought that i would see if hitting my tris and bis when they are fresher (ie not pre exhausted from back or chest exercises) helped bring them on a bit more. I expected to be able to lift more weight for more reps which is exactly how it has gone.

Im going to try it out for a month or two and see how my arms go. I didn't mean to say it is a better way to do it, I just meant that it feels better/ different to working them with chest and back because I can hit them harder and work them more directly with higher intensity.

Edited September 6, 2012 by Mitcho_7

[Dani Boi]

Straps will take away grip strength which IMO is useful. Would use the chalk if its simply 'too sweaty to hold'

[Trozzle]

Straps will take away grip strength which IMO is useful. Would use the chalk if its simply 'too sweaty to hold'

This is a good point.

[Mitcho_7]

Yeh, that's why I was leaning to the chalk in the first place. I'll look into that stuff that was posted, but I have no idea where we would have that in Canberra.

I'll try out the straps as well, but I'm only going to use them when absolutely necessary and not just because I can.

[Birds]

outdoors places also sell a gel type thing that climbers use.

this kind of stuff.

doesn't leave a mess

Or you can just use chalk then wipe it with your towel.

To the guy talking about getting a better tricep workout if doing them with shoulders instead of bench.

obviously you understand that they are used during bench and that is why you can't do as much on tricep specific exercises after.

I don't see why you see this as a bad thing.

That is like seperating Dumbbell flys on a seperate day to Barbell bench press because the chest is too tired to do them after benching.

the whole point of lifting weights is to get stronger, work a muscle etc etc.

Doing a movement which recruits the most muscles is what you want.

If you can work your chest, shoulders and triceps in one movement, why then spend another day doing a bit of it.

Flat bench, then some close grip bench or parallel bar dips and your pecs, delts and tris are done.

doesn't matter if you can't lift as much for the second exercise because it's already been worked on the first.

This is what I was saying.

Mitch, give paper towels a go maybe...even if you're not gripping the bar with them, just wipe your hands and the bar to dry things up a bit. I found that made a big difference for SLDLs and gym staff won't crack it at you for that

[Mitcho_7]

Tried paper towels last night doing barbell rows and shrugs, but because it's a warmer environment my hands sweat up straight away. So by like rep 6 the bar started slipping. Usually I can hold onto 100kg plus on the bar quite easily but last night I was in struggle town with even 90ish. I was ok for weighted pull ups though because the bar I was hanging onto was thinner. So I think it Was probably partly to do with the bar I was using but regardless of that, it definently took away from my back workout which was annoying.

[NickR33]

try splitting up your back workout... after heavy deadlifting, if my grip is fried, I will go to push movements that don't require such a tight grip on the bar... then I do rows/chins/shrugs/cleans on another day

the bars in my gym suck and they don't allow chalk so I used to deadlift with my towel wrapped around the bar... effectively turning it into a fat grip... over time this has improved my grip to the point where I get my hands on a decent bar and grip is no longer an issue

make things harder for yourself and you will get stronger IMO

[Trozzle]

MacPac or whatever in braddon will sell chalk, same with a place pretty much next door. Anaconda at DFO will also sell it.

[Manuel Kasko]

Fyshwick has a certain type of chalk but its the stuff you put up your nose

[Trozzle]

Fyshwick has a certain type of chalk but its the stuff you put up your nose

We need to talk.

[Dani Boi]

Ammonium carbonate?