Gym And Supplement Discussion

[TM7GTR]

I have 3 close friends all hitting 80G after tax... not sure where you live, where you've worked, or what kind of fees you were charging

No, you won't make any where near that working for a gym, but running your own business out of a gym (paying fees) yes you can after a few years.

Lol honestly, $70 an hour is what a friend of mine that just completed his course is getting paid per hour, and he's just finished his course. He currently has a measly 4 clients per day, 5 days per week. 4 sessions x $70 an hour = $280. $280 x 5 days per week = $1400 per week. $72,800 per year minus around 25% tax = around $52,000

This is on the bottom end of the scale, not working weekends, and he's only 18 years old so obviously he has no real living costs. I'm basing the PT thing as being great cash for when you're young.

Oh yeah, not to mention this is without group classes which add an extra bit of money should you choose to run them. Personally I would just work a weekend job as well.

Don't be so pessimistic... and pepper your angus for when you arrive here for that bj in a couple years buddy

[Husky33]

I'm not a pessimist mate i'm a realist. I never said you can't make money, i said it's not a walk in the park like they have you believe.

And with your mate, after tax it comes to 52000. Then take out rent of the gym, depending on where you are, but just say $250 a week would be a good(if not LOW) average. That's $13000. So now down to $39000. Now take out superannuation, sick leave and holiday leave.

You'd be down under $35000.

So, like you said, for a young dude that's still good money. But you need to take all these things into account.

And those dudes charging $100 plus an hour will be paying ALOT more for rent. $400 a week is the norm at a lot of places that have 'higher paying cliental'.

So 100k a year after tax and rent is down to $55000, without taking out super etc etc.

Yeah, its still good, and you can do well, but you need to think about all the little things that you need to organise and put aside for, as you are your income.

Like I said, administration has to be good. And good admin is usually the difference between a pt earning a lot of money and pt earning crap, not how good you are at training people.

but hey, what would i know

[TM7GTR]

Woaah, I've never mentioned it's a walk in the park, nor do I believe it's that way. It takes a good few years MINIMUM to make any real progress in the industry.

As I have said though, I already have business plans in the making and am looking to set something up with a couple reliable people.

This is taking a big risk, but hell, I'm 19... I'd rather say I tried. Most small businesses collapse in the first 2 years and this is due to poor planning and admin like you mentioned.

I've also been offered the use of a PT studio for a lot less money than that, so we'll see how it goes.

Appreciate the input, but I'd like to think things will work out quite well.

[Husky33]

I never said don't try, it's exactly what I did. And i was going well, but i left to pursue other ventures.

So good luck, just make sure you square everything away.

When your running your own business, 50g a year is not the same as a 50g a year salary, and that's where

the majority of pt's fail.

[R31Nismoid]

lol.... just like that.. career change.

I hope you don't expect to make a decent living being a PT.

talk to an actual PT and see what they get paid, and what their costs are, and what they have to deal with.

Lol, negative much.

Tis true though, there isn't much money in pt unless you run you own business. That is the same with most things though, you never get rich working for someone.

I agree with the part about taking exercise advice from someone who isn't in shape though. Your body essentially becomes part of your business image. The only people I ask for advice from in the gym are the people who are big/ripped, not someone wearing the gyms uniform.

+1

I have two close mates who started up a PT business together about 2 years ago. Took them 18months to really build a client base having started from zero, now they are making a very good living and have 6 guys working for them on top of their own work. Not bad for 2 years effort and any start-up business is in a similar boat/time frame for returns on average.

It's not all doom and gloom if you are prepared to do your homework in the market you are going into, then put in the hard yards to get there, just like any small/start up business really.

These guys aren't drop dead gorgeous, they aren't super ripped or anything like that (although one is a 6ft and solid 100kgs). They are just fit, well spoken lads who put in the hard yards and now have a solidly performing business during the week that also lets them play local footy (paid) on the weekends. Also the odd beer when i catch up with em

And remember - not all PT's need to be "in a gym"

[Mitcho_7]

I think if you are going to be a pt, find a niche market and gear your business towards catering for them.

Exactly what that niche is will need to be researched obviously, but you need something that is going to set you apart from the masses.

I would also say it might be a good idea to have a different (flexible) part time job that will garuntee you x amount of $$$ each week, at least while you are starting up your own business. Something easy and mindless which you can forget about as soon as you leave.

So at least you will have some money to pay bills etc even when things are slow.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Mitcho_7

[NickR33]

lol at paying an 18 year old $70 to train you for an hour

I think it's a decent career choice if you can make it work for you... good lifestyle, nice and flexible, not stuck in an orifice all day... great option for young people

I say go for it... just don't promise people they'll look like a supermodel by doing 2 hours of cardio every week

if they want to change their body they have to lift heavy shit and eat right... don't lie to them just to keep a client... if your honest you will do better long term

[-FIGJAM-]

you guys are describing every business and industry in the world

"you can make money from it but you have to be really good at it"..... I mean really? you dont say?

some of the advice given is good others is pretty ordinary imo.

Don't dismiss TTT's posts, the essance of what he is saying is correct. The average run of the mill PT probably doesnt earn great cash compared to other run of the mill people with a job like say i dunno a Lawyer or hell even an IT manager/worker. It is one of those industries now where so many people in the age bracket of 18-30 are working which makes competition bigger and harder, which in turn requires you to be better then the rest or at least have something else to offer.

Not trying to dismiss the idea or turn you away from it, if you want to be a PT the go for it, hell being one in the Army would be a great career path i my opinion, but know and understand its going to be a hard slog.

My 2c

[Trozzle]

Just do what I've done - make your employer hate you so much they make you redundant the first chance they get, in turn paying you a f**kload to leave. WINNING.

[Dani Boi]

brb drafting in the mining industry

brb $75 p hour

brb flexible hours

brb desk job

[Mitcho_7]

I'm guessing you didn't get a reference then Troy?

[Trozzle]

I'm guessing you didn't get a reference then Troy?

What do you mean reference? lol I've got people from my previous employment I can use as references no worries if that's what you mean but in honesty, if you tell a recruiter/potential employer in Canberra (or even Australia) "I work(ed) for Unisys" they'll immediately acknowledge that they're a terrible place to work etc. It's widely known how bad they are, so not having a reference for working there generally doesn't mean anything negative at all.

brb drafting in the mining industry

brb $75 p hour

brb flexible hours

brb desk job

From what I've heard (there was a mining industry thread in Wasteland like years ago) it's not as easy to slip into a job in mining shit as people suggest....still might as well add the "brb FRIENDS FAMILY LIFE AND MENTAL HEALTH" line in there

[TTT]

Well I wish both of you Tom and Kasko all the best with your careers.

No use arguing my point over and over.

as you said, you are young and can recover from mistakes etc.

Hopefully it won't come to that.

Edited September 13, 2012 by TTT

[TM7GTR]

I think if you are going to be a pt, find a niche market and gear your business towards catering for them. Exactly what that niche is will need to be researched obviously, but you need something that is going to set you apart from the masses. I would also say it might be a good idea to have a different (flexible) part time job that will garuntee you x amount of $$$ each week, at least while you are starting up your own business. Something easy and mindless which you can forget about as soon as you leave. So at least you will have some money to pay bills etc even when things are slow.

This is where 99% of my research and planning currently goes into.

Already working a second job.

you guys are describing every business and industry in the world "you can make money from it but you have to be really good at it"..... I mean really? you dont say? some of the advice given is good others is pretty ordinary imo. Don't dismiss TTT's posts, the essance of what he is saying is correct. The average run of the mill PT probably doesnt earn great cash compared to other run of the mill people with a job like say i dunno a Lawyer or hell even an IT manager/worker. It is one of those industries now where so many people in the age bracket of 18-30 are working which makes competition bigger and harder, which in turn requires you to be better then the rest or at least have something else to offer. Not trying to dismiss the idea or turn you away from it, if you want to be a PT the go for it, hell being one in the Army would be a great career path i my opinion, but know and understand its going to be a hard slog. My 2c

IT and mining are where the money seems to be at... and trades.

Army PTI is my other option that I've given plenty of thought to. Downside is that it's extremely hard to be chosen as one (you can't just sign up for the job) and obviously you're locked in for your 6 years of service. On the other hand I could fund a business this way with my savings while my potential business partners run the show.

So many options..

[TM7GTR]

Well I wish both of you Tom and Kasko all the best with your careers.

No use arguing my point over and over.

as you said, you are young and can recover from mistakes etc.

Hopefully it won't come to that.

As much as I like to argue against your points, know that it's only because I want to give it a shot.

I understand that some of you older guys are just giving some solid advice so I also appreciate it.

[TTT]

Obviously I was being a little harsh about the leg shaving and collars etc.

it's easy and fun to generalise so I do it.

My issue is people who become *insert expert in something or other here* because they thought it would be a good way to make money and went and did a course to get a piece of paper that says they did a course and now know what to do.

My opinion is that it doesn't mean shit that you paid a fee and did some classes and got your cert.

Those people have no interest in making people better.

they have an interest in making money.

those people will always fail.

Nick says his dad is a PT who specialises in helping old folks.

He cares.

he does his job because he wants to see someones life improve... and happens to get paid for it.

But PTs in a gym (most) are there to carry a clipboard and tell self conscious people they are doing great and see you in 2 days etc etc, then NEXT!!!

They spurt what they read in their textbooks written by people who wear lab coats.

I guess PTs are there for the lazy so it makes their existance acceptable.

Kasko - Let me know when you finish your course.

I'll shout you these as a gift.

[Dani Boi]

From what I've heard (there was a mining industry thread in Wasteland like years ago) it's not as easy to slip into a job in mining shit as people suggest....still might as well add the "brb FRIENDS FAMILY LIFE AND MENTAL HEALTH" line in there

Not sure what you mean? I was on $75 hour 45 hour week located in Perth, that's $2100 clear a week. Got made redundant because iron ore giants are pulling out of alot of projects

[Trozzle]

Not sure what you mean? I was on $75 hour 45 hour week located in Perth, that's $2100 clear a week. Got made redundant because iron ore giants are pulling out of alot of projects

I suppose a lot of desk jobs would be located off-site so my quote isn't really relevant lol

ANYWAY ON TOPIC!!

This foam roller is absolutely dominating my core/abs/obliques. Awesome bonus!! Given most of the things I'm with rely on balancing on the roller to achieve maximum pressure, it's seriously working the core to keep my body off the ground.

[NickR33]

It helps that my old man made his money in advertising and only took up PT when he retired... so he has the luxury of not having to do it for the cash

[Nee-san]

Do you guys know if boogers get bigger as you get older ?

I'll be damned if I haven't doubled my nose yield over the last five years !