Gym And Supplement Discussion

[TM7GTR]

^ because you can't stick a steak in a capsule

[markos]

Weider sold protein tablets years ago

[TM7GTR]

^ aren't they just chewy BCAA tablets though? Universal make the same thing.

[markos]

Weider ones are milk based, offering all aminos rather than just leucine, isoleucine and valine. The BCAA's are great for during and straight after sessions, but I suppose the idea of Weiders ones is to keep a positive nitrogen balance during the day. In my opinion for them to be effective you need to take 100 at a time

Easier to drink a litre of milk

[Dani Boi]

Seeming as though it was the last DL session of SS decided to go 1rm. Did 145kg, so pretty much x2bw. Happy with it, it was my goal from the start of the program.

[Birds]

Wouldn't deadlifting and squatting 3xper week be a bit much?

Nope...you're doing 5-6 exercises a session, 3 times a week. Not saying its easy, but definitely not overkill. Try my routine: 7 exercises, 6 sets each, 4 times a week and running during the off days!

Also...

you're not going to get much stronger or bigger if your focus is on your abs.

I'm not saying blow out to be a lard arse... just saying do and eat what is required to get to at least the Novice level and then decide which way you want to go.

These...

You can gain strength/muscle and stay lean (talking <10% lean) with the right diet and/or cardio, but the two goals can be counter-productive if you're avoiding high energy and high carb foods that also fuel muscle development. Bodybuilders have off and on seasons for competition, and are significantly weaker during the latter (not that they look terrible/fat off season) when they are hardcore dieting - muscles need fuel to train and to grow - any deficiency in your diet is going to show in the gym.

As a fellow ectomorph, I can tell you it's easy to lose any fat you gain, down the track. You do get used to it, but it's not hard to stop force feeding yourself

Or yes, you can do what I do (aka the slow way) and maintain <10% 24x7x365. Tougher to get through workouts and make gains...and...welcome to plateau city, population: you. On the plus side: women!

[Dani Boi]

I don't understand how it can be counter-productive. As I've said before I monitor my calories on a day-day basis so that I am eating enough to cover training/recovery.

I don't do cardio.

I eat 210g protein, 400g carbs, 120g fats per day 7x a week.

It's not a 'slow way' its the smartest way. Eating more than what your body needs is pointless.

Edited October 10, 2012 by Dani Boi

[NickR33]

Seeming as though it was the last DL session of SS decided to go 1rm. Did 145kg, so pretty much x2bw. Happy with it, it was my goal from the start of the program.

good work... going to the gym is so much more enjoyable when you make progress... now for triple body weight!

[TTT]

(not that they look terrible/fat off season)

you haven't seen Lee Priest off season photos?

I'm sure you've seen his on stage.

Dan

If you're happy then keep going. You've already made up your mind anyway. In muscle building and body recomp, 1+1 doesn't always equal 2.

I guess you missed that a 56kg girl pulled 145kg deadlift on the other page?

Anyway, see how you get on with the new program.

it will be a bit of a shock at first due to increased volume from SS program.

[-FIGJAM-]

ive changed from the program i was doing and crossed from a volume routine to more of a strength workout to see how it goes.

main reason for the change, i enjoy the challenge of lifting heavier and heavier, also am a weak bitch.

its a 4 day routine, broken up with push and pull days. the only thing i miss is the pump at the end of this workout I generally feel like I should do more.

today is push b day:

Dumbell Incline Bench Press

Dumbbell Shoulder Press

Dip (this one i expect to be able to do more then 4-8 reps so I'll just go until i cant keep going as I dont have a belt to weight myself down with)

Leg Press

Calf Press on leg press machine

4-8 reps with 2 minute rest in between.

[Birds]

lol bit of an extreme example there, I'll side with this guy if you don't mind:

[NickR33]

considering most people get into the gym to improve their health first and foremost, I don't think excessive bulking is very clever... obviously a different story for competitive BB or PL but I would be concerned what massive weight gain/loss is doing to you long term... just have a look at some of the older MMA fighters (especially those that were cutting weight for wrestling in high school/college)... many of them are now applying for TRT because their bodies have stopped producing testosterone

A little bit of fat helps you train hard and recover... like a safe tune on a car, it gives you a bit of buffer should environmental factors change suddenly... so for ectos you might have to consider changing your diet and accept the trade off... you shouldn't have any trouble leaning up again anyway when the time comes

But if you have tits, your fat... no bulking for you fatteh! put down the donut and pick up a kettlebell

after initially losing about 8kg when I first started 92kg - 84kg... I've hovered around the mid 80's ever since... but my body comp has totally changed... I maintain a little more body fat than I would like (hey I'd like ripped abs too) but I like lifting heavy and going out to eat more so that's the trade off... however I think having that little buffer has allowed me to train consistently for 2 years without any real breaks or injuries... and I'm only a month or two off looking lean should I decide to stop eating hamburgers

[Birds]

I don't understand how it can be counter-productive. As I've said before I monitor my calories on a day-day basis so that I am eating enough to cover training/recovery.

I don't do cardio.

I eat 210g protein, 400g carbs, 120g fats per day 7x a week.

It's not a 'slow way' its the smartest way. Eating more than what your body needs is pointless.

Then what's the drive for wanting to change your program, if everything is working well for you? You bored with it or...?

[Birds]

Agreed Nick - I only use bodybuilders as an extreme example of how diet affects muscle growth and training in the gym. On a closer to home level, we're talking a couple kg of fat that might make your abs less visible or disappear (as I said, trying to keep <10% and gain muscle is harder and takes longer than not caring what your BF% gets to).

From my personal experience, it was a lot easier for me to get through workouts at 89kg than it is at 79kg...and I was making more strength gains back then because I had a larger supply of fuel. That being said, I love the way I look now and wouldn't trade it for extra strength or body weight. So in the end, it's whichever makes you happy, but there are compromises everywhere.

[-FIGJAM-]

article I just read relating to the above:

"4) Being scared of losing your six pack (or at least what you think is a six pack)

Don’t be the idiot that wastes his time trying to get bigger whilst staying lean. You will fail. Don’t be one of those people that have been training at a gym for year after year but look exacly the same as the day they joined! If you love your six pack so much you’ll have more than enough commitment to strip the fat away when the new you is ready to be unveiled right? Or are you scared of the lazy person that’s inside of you? Commit to bulking 100% Get great results then commit to shredding up those results. Period."

http://elite-kinetics.com/tag/nutrition-2/

[TTT]

Nick. Stay around the 83kg mark. Im heading down too. Then when you start competing with GPC there will be about 4 of us with similar lifts for some direct competition.

Birds you too poof.

[Birds]

Fuck you Tolga...I'll shoot for 75 out of spite...and try to keep a 115 bench...

And my abs brah, come at them

[Dani Boi]

I'm not scared of losing my 6 pack, I've already lost it lol. I think some of you are taking what I'm saying out of context but nonetheless I will continue to do what I do. 2.5xbw DL is my next goal and hopefully I can hit that within the next 6 months.

[TTT]

75kg puts you in direct competition with the one they call angry dwarf.

He's benched double bodyweight, squats close to triple and deadlifts just over triple

nice abs though.

Edited October 11, 2012 by TTT

[NickR33]

Nick. Stay around the 83kg mark. Im heading down too. Then when you start competing with GPC there will be about 4 of us with similar lifts for some direct competition.

Birds you too poof.

haha easier said than done! I'm a bit over 86kg atm... I was considering doing ProRaw4 down here next month but I'm in no mans land between the 80kg and 95kg groups... I'd love to cut down to 80kg but I'm not really sure how to approach it without losing muscle/strength... not that I'm a chance of placing in the 80's but better than coming last in the 95's

Dani Boi: yeah was just talking in general... I have a mate who is thin, wants to get strong but won't eat and won't quit smoking... your making good progress so why change it