Gym And Supplement Discussion

[jangles]

KFC? Goodnight sweet toilet.

The KFC was good, not too greasy. The maccas was complete opposite. Probably why I don't usually eat it!

[Trozzle]

I don't follow iifym, just use it's calculators.

I'm not sure how you can do something too literally though. Cals in vs cals out.

it's only my take on things and suggestions. Everyone has their own ways.

While it IS as simple as 'cals in vs cals out' it's also much more complicated than that. Can't go through the day making your calories up with tablespoons of sugar, butter, and whey protein can we? Don't think it would work the greatest.

It was this part that lost me:

Macros are easy, knowing them allows you to eat anything you want really.

I hadnt been to the gym in 3 days and had KFC and maccas. But I'm still in a deficit leading up to my holidays

Here is a before and after of 1.5 months following my apparently terrible unbalanced diet of brown rice or steamed veggies w/ chicken mince, egg whites and bacon, and occasional steak or protein shake. If I'm doing it wrong, then wrong works for me. For the record, I continued to gain strength during this period, just slower than beforehand.

Forgive the shit photos, they don't quite do anything at all justice.

[TM7GTR]

SECURE THESE BICEPS

[TM7GTR]

I like Troy's approach... If wrong works for you, keep doing wrong.

What works for Tom and Dick may not work for Harry.

[jangles]

While it IS as simple as 'cals in vs cals out' it's also much more complicated than that. Can't go through the day making your calories up with tablespoons of sugar, butter, and whey protein can we? Don't think it would work the greatest.

It was this part that lost me:

Here is a before and after of 1.5 months following my apparently terrible unbalanced diet of brown rice or steamed veggies w/ chicken mince, egg whites and bacon, and occasional steak or protein shake. If I'm doing it wrong, then wrong works for me. For the record, I continued to gain strength during this period, just slower than beforehand.

Forgive the shit photos, they don't quite do anything at all justice.

You've just contradicted yourself in saying its more complicated than eating sugar all the time, then say how the wrong way works for you.

I always said to an extent. (being realistic, no one I know eats sugar, butter and protein) the more refined your targets are the better results you'll usually get.

We only suggested you could half your protein and up your carbs. Might let you enjoy those naughty things more often.

Youve done a good job.

FYI I lost 14kg in 3 months all whilst gaining strength from lifts. I was a fatty.

[jangles]

I like Troy's approach... If wrong works for you, keep doing wrong.

What works for Tom and Dick may not work for Harry.

Which is why I said there is no right or wrong way.

[Trozzle]

I meant that cals in cals out is how it works, but what makes up those cals - or as the debate is - what makes up the carbs/protein will make a difference.

My way lost me 4kg in 1.5 months, so yeah again even if it's 'wrong' - it worked for me so I'll stick with it if only coz it's effortless now.

I type this with one hand while eating a banana and cinnamon muffin....coz I need moar carbs it would seem

[jangles]

I meant that cals in cals out is how it works, but what makes up those cals - or as the debate is - what makes up the carbs/protein will make a difference.

My way lost me 4kg in 1.5 months, so yeah again even if it's 'wrong' - it worked for me so I'll stick with it if only coz it's effortless now.

I type this with one hand while eating a banana and cinnamon muffin....coz I need moar carbs it would seem

Stick to what works for sure! We never said its wrong, just that it could work out better for you.

you'll still have to trim back that protein If you start upping the carbs, 1gP = 4kcal, 1gC =4kcal

So you're still consuming the same amount daily, just refining it. You'll be full of energy

Edited November 19, 2012 by jangles

[Trozzle]

Stick to what works for sure! We never said its wrong, just that it could work out better for you.

you'll still have to trim back that protein If you start upping the carbs, 1gP = 4kcal, 1gC =4kcal

So you're still consuming the same amount daily, just refining it. You'll be full of energy

1kcal = 1000cal

Yeah cutting back protein is easy - just stop shoveling steak down my throat.

[jangles]

1kcal = 1000cal

Yeah cutting back protein is easy - just stop shoveling steak down my throat.

It is actually a kcal, people just call them cals.

[Trozzle]

It is actually a kcal, people just call them cals.

ok so I think we're both correct though I was wrong in my thinking lol. Apparently:

1 kcal = 1 Calorie = 1000 calories

Difference is the upper-case C. Dumbest shit ever.

Whatever lol

[jangles]

ok so I think we're both correct though I was wrong in my thinking lol. Apparently:

1 kcal = 1 Calorie = 1000 calories

Difference is the upper-case C. Dumbest shit ever.

Whatever lol

Great world of science haha

[10 4]

Anyone else cutting yet? I'm farken hating it. Not doing cardio though cause I'd rather die. ~1800cals a day atm, aiming for 1kg loss/week for 6 weeks..

[Trozzle]

Anyone else cutting yet? I'm farken hating it. Not doing cardio though cause I'd rather die. ~1800cals a day atm, aiming for 1kg loss/week for 6 weeks..

Done cutting, just maintaining now. I won't give advice coz I'm wrong hahaha. 1800cal sounds a little bit low though I'd think, but honestly I have no idea coz I didn't bother counting cals until I was done cutting

[SRS13]

Anyone else cutting yet? I'm farken hating it. Not doing cardio though cause I'd rather die. ~1800cals a day atm, aiming for 1kg loss/week for 6 weeks..

I'm down to 82.6kg now.

Still eating similar stuff but just less of it. Have also tried to cut out 'some' of the junk but still have it every now and then.

[NickR33]

FFS there's nothing wrong with Troy's diet... he's making good progress and his diet looks pretty balanced... healthier than 99% of the populations anyway... where are the back/leg shots though mate;)

If you guys lifted as much as you agonized about macros...

I'm trying to lean up a bit.. but the workouts that go along with a caloric deficit I find boring and unfullfilling... and the lack of carbs makes me grumpy

but my wife just sent me a pic from 2 years ago which has cheered me up... basically I look like a fat shit lol... my body comp has changed dramitically over that time... I never bulked or cut and have stayed approx the same weight but I look completely different

slowly changing body comp might not be the quickest way but if you have the patience to be consistent it certainly works... no counting calories, no fancy supps

Husky33 nailed it on the last page

[Trozzle]

FFS there's nothing wrong with Troy's diet... he's making good progress and his diet looks pretty balanced... healthier than 99% of the populations anyway... where are the back/leg shots though mate;)

hahaha I can't take a photo of my own back easily plus I'd say it's a little disappointing at the moment given my lack of specific training in fears I'll piss my SIJ off again but I'll get something for my build thread anyway now that you've said something

[jangles]

FFS there's nothing wrong with Troy's diet... he's making good progress and his diet looks pretty balanced... healthier than 99% of the populations anyway... where are the back/leg shots though mate;)

If you guys lifted as much as you agonized about macros...

I'm trying to lean up a bit.. but the workouts that go along with a caloric deficit I find boring and unfullfilling... and the lack of carbs makes me grumpy

but my wife just sent me a pic from 2 years ago which has cheered me up... basically I look like a fat shit lol... my body comp has changed dramitically over that time... I never bulked or cut and have stayed approx the same weight but I look completely different

slowly changing body comp might not be the quickest way but if you have the patience to be consistent it certainly works... no counting calories, no fancy supps

Husky33 nailed it on the last page

We never said it's wrong, just could be optimized if he wanted to. Just suggestions in response to his post about being unsure about it.

How many carbs are you consuming during your cut? my reasoning about optimizing it was so life can be bearable! Cranky is no fun at all?

How much does your workout change on your cut? and why? I'm not picking either, I'm just interested cause you lift big usually.

[Dani Boi]

We never said it's wrong, just could be optimized if he wanted to. Just suggestions in response to his post about being unsure about it.

How many carbs are you consuming during your cut? my reasoning about optimizing it was so life can be bearable! Cranky is no fun at all?

How much does your workout change on your cut? and why? I'm not picking either, I'm just interested cause you lift big usually.

[NickR33]

I carb cycle... so on training days I eat more, on rest days I eat hardly any... I'm not really that grumpy, just have that slightly annoyed feeling all the time lol

compared with preparing for powerlifting meet, where I was nicely full most of the time... I'm more relaxed with a tummy full of food:)

My workout changes as very hard to lift in above 85% of your 1RM on a calorie deficit... also I wanted to back off the heavy stuff for a while and up the reps, to change it up a bit, give my joints a rest etc

Also to target some of those bodyparts that are a weakness or lagging behind a bit

I just miss the total body exhaustion that a heavy compound lift session provides... I don't mind training for a pump but it's not as rewarding in terms of stress relief