Gym And Supplement Discussion

[No Crust Racing]

LoL bloody phone.

Scared of squats tissue!

[Birds]

he doesn't have anything screwed in.. it's scar tissue.

I was trying to make a point so you'd get why he doesn't bend at the ankle.. ..... .. ...

where's my foam roller!

And I was trying to back pedal

Where's my dencorub!

[God_speed]

Here C. Thibeaudeau is doing his own variation but it's still a hack machine

[Brotato]

PR as in a PB? Awesome job

Thanks guys, and a hat tip to the women in your lives who have had kids, not an easy process.

Back on topic. Can't saying having my feet strapped so tight has really made much of a difference to my back, and I haven't been doing any gym work since Friday and I wouldn't be inclined to say it's improving through not using it (not using it heavily through gym).

I'll get a start on the oblique work and see if that helps. Anyone have any personal favs improving oblique strength?

LOL yeah I interchange from the two always, thanks to everyone that congratulated me. Hopefully it'll keep going.

Routine now consists of 1000 skips and whatever exercise after the skips. So an example is 100 skips, seated lat row x 10 @ 20kg next set 100 skips etc until 1000 gets done.

[Dani Boi]

Oi TTT ya flamin' mongrel. I'm stalling hard on SS, it's taking about 4-5 squat sessions to up 2.5kg. I tried what the program said and deload 10% and work my way back up but still running into the same problem... Do you think it's advisable to switch to madcows? I'm just not sure as I don't class myself an intermediate lifter (120kg squat, 150kg dl, 92.5kg bench @70kg)

[TTT]

Eat more food.

or try something else..

but also eat more food.

At 70kg, those numbers aren't great but there are people heavier that prob do worse.

up to you.

[Trozzle]

Eat more food.

or try something else..

but also eat more food.

This, and don't say you do eat enough lol. You don't.

[TTT]

This, and don't say you do eat enough lol. You don't.

A little Dave Tate Story....

There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn't gain weight to save my f-g life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like f-g magic. He'd go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

"You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I'll fill you in."

Now remember, we're at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious s-t if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

"For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don't care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that s-t down and eat. That's your breakfast."

At this point I'm thinking this guy is nuts. But he's completely serious.

"For lunch you're gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don't want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG BS. I don't care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can't let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter."

"For dinner you're gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don't like sardines, don't put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that f-kr up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that s-t over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the s-t out of it."

"Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that f-kr. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals."

This guy is in a zen-like state when he's talking about this.

"Now you're on the clock," he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you're full. Don't listen to that s-t. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I'm telling you now, you're going to get three or four pieces in and you're gonna want to quit. You f-g can't quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can't finish it, don't you ever come back to me and tell me you can't gain weight. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you that you don't give a f-k about getting bigger and you don't care how much you lift!"

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn't get much fatter. One of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, though.

[Trozzle]

^^^ aside from the "terrible quality" food suggested to eat (let's not debate how fast food is or isn't "bad" food please), that's exactly it.

You simply have a higher BMR than 'normal' for your weight, and or you quite simply aren't eating nearly as many calories as you think you are. This is where the "terrible quality" food suggested will help since its fat content will be through the roof, but it would be preferably to increase your caloric intake in a BALANCED manner by eating a lot more "good" food. More protein and carbs, and a little bit more fat. Still avoid hammering sugars/simple carbs since they can f**k with insulin resistance, but otherwise just go nuts until you start gaining. That's what I did (and am doing, though my weight and subsequent BMR seem to have more or less caught up to my caloric intake lol).

I just went on a seefood diet, eating anything I felt like (which is never shit like Maccas etc. Worst things I've eaten so far have been decent quality pizzas like Crust or restaurant shit, and ludicrous amounts of weet bix and oats with honey and dried fruits. I've had the occasional sweets like a muffin, pudding for desert when housemates have cooked a feast, or some overly sugary biscuits like I regrettably got into yesterday.

Biggest change I made at first was eating potato again and not giving a shit.

[-FIGJAM-]

what do you do when you eat to much then spend 10 minutes spewing and 20 minutes shitting within a hour of eating?

I squat, but just saying

[TTT]

you eat again

or go see someone to find out why you're being sick.

[Trozzle]

If you're literally force feeding yourself to the point you vomit, you're doing it wrong - even eating until you're almost at that point might be a waste of time, as personally I find that displacing that much of my stomach acid all but halts my digestive system, and subsequently I end up eating less overall through the day since I'm full for WAY too long.

I've only eaten enough to spew once or twice in the last couple of months, and this was only of an evening when I don't give a f**k about how over full I am since I know I'll be relatively back to normal in the morning. Unfortunately another downside I've experienced to vomiting up your food, even only a little bit of it, is that it has a similar effect of halting my digestive system. By this I mean I'll still be full in the morning, and if I make myself burp I can still clearly taste whatever I ate too much of the night before.

Like everything, find that happy medium. If you can eat more food, EAT MORE FOOD. Just don't eat TOO much food. Then, as soon as you feel like you could eat some more - EAT SOME f**kING MORE FOOD. AND THEN FOLLOW UP WITH SQUATS. hahaha

[TTT]

nah I think FIGJAM has other problems.

assume he's already seeing a doc about it...... or googling for a supp for it.

[-FIGJAM-]

supplement. Its just easier...................

have seen doctors, no real conclusion apart from my body doesnt want food. Eaten like a sparrow for 20 years, doesnt want to change anytime soon. Though the main conclusion is reflux and i should eat a thousand small meals a day, whilst slowly increasing my calories.

cant cheat with things like milk as with reflux, 500ml of milk in 1 setting = spew vile population me.

but then also face bloating where I am feeling so full the thought of more food makes me nearly chuck.

so yeah, doctors advice, start small, like a cheeseburger ontop of my day for a couple weeks, and then progress.

[Trozzle]

Fair enough, yeah I suppose it'll just be something you have to train your body to get used to/get over. Hopefully doesn't take too much to do.

And if it's just the volume of food that causes it, not the caloric content, at least as you said you can just supplement. I'd recommend giving Ultimate Nutrition Muscle Juice Revolution a shot (black tub, NOT WHITE). I've gone through a couple of tubs ages ago and it's really good stuff, with f**k all sugar compared to a lot of gainers out there. If it didn't make me feel like shit (from sugar content) then anyone will be fine with it. 2 scoops (half recommended serving) with water should net you 550cal or thereabouts, and it isn't bloating/filling. Doesn't have creatine either, if that makes you feel bloated or overly full like it can with me sometimes.

[NickR33]

go visit local pothead... buy weed... roll doob... smoke doob... eat like you've been lost in the wilderness for a month

seriously it sounds as though you have some nausea issues... weed is the best anti-naseau medication in the world

Nick's health tip of the day:)

[-FIGJAM-]

lol been down the weed path before. Was good until it became a problem

I might try a weight gainer, but if its milk based or anything then im in trouble. Hopefully I can score a free sample at the gym expo in sydney on sunday.

[NickR33]

I wish I could eat for you... I'm good at eating

[Trozzle]

go visit local pothead... buy weed... roll doob... smoke doob... eat like you've been lost in the wilderness for a month

seriously it sounds as though you have some nausea issues... weed is the best anti-naseau medication in the world

Nick's health tip of the day:)

I do this occasionally, once a week or so. I definitely agree on the points nick made. Plus food tastes better when high LOL

But no seriously, I can do 4000cal from dinner and whatever I feel like afterwards until I go to bed. It's the solution you need meng

lol been down the weed path before. Was good until it became a problem

I might try a weight gainer, but if its milk based or anything then im in trouble. Hopefully I can score a free sample at the gym expo in sydney on sunday.

Can't become a problem when I don't pay for it

[Birds]

The problem with most skinny people, who say they eat and don't gain weight, is that they eat when they are hungry. If you're trying to gain weight, you should never have that feeling. You should be constantly supplying food to stave off feelings of hunger. If you are hungry it means you failed.

So have lunch...you're full...an hour later you're not even hungry...but you eat more food just because you can. Load yourself with carbs.