Gym And Supplement Discussion

[No Crust Racing]

That's rank but I'll try it just for you...

[Trozzle]

hahaha I always have mine with water but yeah, it does taste a bit bad - particularly the aftertaste. Just have it immediately post-workout, so you've got an excuse to scull it you don't have to, but thanks if you can haha

[No Crust Racing]

One scoop with 250ml of water in my mild shaker (no ball) mixes and tastes fine.

Surprisingly so.

[jangles]

Glad someone else enjoyed that, I poured 30 seconds of my heart and soul into it.

Missus commented that my arse is getting bigger (she doesn't like it) I'm assuming squats/deads causing this.

I haven't even started to put any decent weight on the bar yet 0_0

Strength doesn't mean size, if you lost fat at a similar rate to muscle gain you'll have a smaller arse.

I can see you heading towards curls again if your partner inhibits you from doing a motion that will better your whole life because 'yo got junk in da trunk'

Edit: by inhibits, I mean makes you think twice about it and put up google eyed smileys

Edited June 17, 2013 by jangles

[L33SH]

Can I ask why would squats and deadlifts make you have a bigger arse?

obviously these exercises are increasing muscle size, but is it really that noticeable in your bum?

do not want big bum

[jangles]

Can I ask why would squats and deadlifts make you have a bigger arse?

obviously these exercises are increasing muscle size, but is it really that noticeable in your bum?

do not want big bum

Glutes, hams, quads....

They'll all change shape.

Dan has newb gains with no substantial fat loss, so arse is bigger. As yours will. Lose some fat and you'll be smaller over all and weigh heavier.

Thought birds would have you covered on this?

I used to have very small glutes/arse, substantially bigger now, same pant size. Muscles got bigger, I lost fat.

Edited June 17, 2013 by jangles

[L33SH]

I don't know anything about this

All I know is that on my weights program I have lost my ab definition and my body looks like shit.

I'm doing everything I can to lose fat, and I can not achieve it

I've resorted to oxyelite now

[jangles]

I don't know anything about this

All I know is that on my weights program I have lost my ab definition and my body looks like shit.

I'm doing everything I can to lose fat, and I can not achieve it

I've resorted to oxyelite now

That's bullshit right there sorry.

If you can't lose fat and you've tried everything, you've done everything wrong.

I witnessed a woman wanting oxyelite to get rid of stubborn fat today actually... If she lost the 10kg + of fat she would then probably have had 'stubborn' areas

[L33SH]

well tell me what to do right then!

I've only gained weight since cutting down on cardio and doing weights

[Nee-san]

Look at your diet.

[jangles]

well tell me what to do right then!

I've only gained weight since cutting down on cardio and doing weights

I'd hate to give advice and encroach on birds coaching and meal plans that work,

But, Go here

http://www.biolayne.com/videos/

Watch video log 9,10,11,12,13,15,16

And count macros, forever.

I thought we had already pointed you in that direction. learn it, it's very simple once you do. The time spent in here could be spent reading about it, the time spent following your expert diet could be spent reading about it.

There is a calculator to help you work out the more optimal levels of Macronutrient requirements, not just guess. Why fluff around eating 'clean' or 'healthy' when you can get straight to the point

Edited June 17, 2013 by jangles

[L33SH]

I count calories and macros already, my food diary is on my fitness pal so I can show anyone

but thanks for your help

[jangles]

I count calories and macros already, my food diary is on my fitness pal so I can show anyone

but thanks for your help

Well you need to adjust them then. It's not set in stone. like I said, you must be doing something wrong.

If an obese person counts how many big macs they eat daily, it's not going to make them lose weight, just means we know what we have to do to get there.

[L33SH]

fair enough, well I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I'll look into it

[Birds]

I'd hate to give advice and encroach on birds coaching and meal plans that work,

lol you don't have a clue smart arse; you've heard half of the story. Leesh neglects to mention the other half when she complains about how her body looks, and you neglect to ask about it because you'd rather take a cheap shot. But that's the Internet for you. Leesh is significantly stronger than when I first altered her training methods; she now has better muscle proportion and her body is very far from bad looking. She simply misses her skinny man's six pack that came from cardio/abs 7 days a week and not eating enough.

It's a story not unlike one of Markos' minority clients, who join his gym, do extracurricular cardio, don't eat properly to support the lifting, then don't see the results they and take it out on the strength training / ditching of their former exercise routine. These people have a penchant for quick fixes, hence oxelite.You can lead a horse to water, but the drinking is another thing. It doesn't matter how good a coach you are; you can't change someone who isn't willing to do exactly what you say...hence YNDTFP exists. Hence Leigh, who in contrast, was able to train with me...did exactly what I said food and weights wise...and saw lots of positive changes (both strength and physically) after 6-8 months of training, only 3-4 times a week. I'll have to get a more recent photo of him because he looks even better now and is still seeing good strength increases, albeit not training with me at the moment due to my shoulder injury.

I've trained plenty of people and I'm not even a trainer...I just do it for friends because I like helping people and I know how to do it. Some see success, beyond that of my own...others don't get what they want soon/easily enough and quit. But the latter always have one thing in common, and that's not sticking to the rules that I give them. Strength training works for everyone; not everyone works for strength training.

[Birds]

But, Go here

http://www.biolayne.com/videos/

Watch video log 9,10,11,12,13,15,16

And count macros, forever.

I thought we had already pointed you in that direction. learn it, it's very simple once you do. The time spent in here could be spent reading about it, the time spent following your expert diet could be spent reading about it.

There is a calculator to help you work out the more optimal levels of Macronutrient requirements, not just guess. Why fluff around eating 'clean' or 'healthy' when you can get straight to the point

Curiously, what do you think of this?

Back to Sean. At the end of 5 weeks, he has lost 5kg and is 91kg. That is a brilliant effort, although our story doesnt stop there. He has continued his good eating, and is now down to 86kg, a total of 10kg in 9 weeks. He hasnt had to count calories, simply eliminate the crap out of your diet. You would have to be a f**king idiot to not know what crap was in regards to eating.

[No Crust Racing]

Strength doesn't mean size, if you lost fat at a similar rate to muscle gain you'll have a smaller arse.

I can see you heading towards curls again if your partner inhibits you from doing a motion that will better your whole life because 'yo got junk in da trunk'

Edit: by inhibits, I mean makes you think twice about it and put up google eyed smileys

To be honest, I'm not exactly fat and the increase in my posterior has been in direct correlation to my squatting and deadlifting.

I should point out that this is completely fine by me, but that I do try and keep Kate's preferences in mind to some degree, as I said we try and be mindful of what the other likes so we keep up the physical attraction aspect of our relationship - works pretty well for us I realise others will be 100% dedicated to gym at the expense of everything else, that's not me, I like to have balance in my life and I've see first hand how it affects some relationships when one partner goes mad on health and fitness to the detriment of his/her partners opinion. I'd like to think you can keep both relatively in check. That's not about pandering to her every whim, just about respect and consideration for her opinion.

So, with that in mind, all I'm really saying is, gee I hope my arse doesn't continue to get J-Lo'd as I continue to squat and DL.

In terms of fatness/eating/cardio etc. I walk/jog (whichever the ankle allows and depending on if I'm trying to break through a barrier with my training) every morning, just a brisk 2ks.

My regular daily diet looks like this.

cup/cup n a half of oates + tbsp honey + a few sunflower seeds (I like the texture) for breakfast

snacks during the day are apple, banana, 2 saladas with some honey and PB, a nut delight muesli bar, and a protien shake (with light milk)

lunch is usually dinner left overs (or steak/chips/salad/veg on Fridays) so for today that's a homemade pizza which is on a pita base with capsicum, muschrooms, pinaapple, ham, light cheese, and a bit of salami and mixed fresh herbs from our garden, the worst thing would be I like to lash out and use BBQ sauce as a light base sauce.

Other regular dinners for us could be risotto's, homemade chicken/veg or pumpkin soup, wholemeal wraps (chicken/capcisum, cheese, mayo, avocado, lettuce) stir fries, quiches, etc

So all in all we're reasonable eaters, I do daily cardio of some sort, plus gym 3 times a week (plus chores on the weekend like mowing over 800mtrs of lawn area, working on the Sil, washing all the cars, extra dog play time) and I'm 6ft and 86kg and still have easily visible abs despite having ditched specific ab work months ago.

Glutes, hams, quads....

They'll all change shape.

Dan has newb gains with no substantial fat loss, so arse is bigger. As yours will. Lose some fat and you'll be smaller over all and weigh heavier.

Thought birds would have you covered on this?

I used to have very small glutes/arse, substantially bigger now, same pant size. Muscles got bigger, I lost fat.

My waist has not changed size, just how tight my work pants fit on my butt checks and upper legs. I doubt I'm magically gaining fat in just those areas coincidentally since I started squatting and DL.

As an aside, did my second gym session with new squat/dl technique and maintained the new numbers and felt like there was more to give so I foresee some gains coming, but will take it slowly to allow my ankle time to adjust, it is not stoked about increased squat weight, seems happy enough with DL though so I imagine gains will be faster there, yay.

Before you know it, I'll catch up to Markos girls lol

[jangles]

To be honest, I'm not exactly fat and the increase in my posterior has been in direct correlation to my squatting and deadlifting.

I should point out that this is completely fine by me, but that I do try and keep Kate's preferences in mind to some degree, as I said we try and be mindful of what the other likes so we keep up the physical attraction aspect of our relationship - works pretty well for us I realise others will be 100% dedicated to gym at the expense of everything else, that's not me, I like to have balance in my life and I've see first hand how it affects some relationships when one partner goes mad on health and fitness to the detriment of his/her partners opinion. I'd like to think you can keep both relatively in check. That's not about pandering to her every whim, just about respect and consideration for her opinion.

So, with that in mind, all I'm really saying is, gee I hope my arse doesn't continue to get J-Lo'd as I continue to squat and DL.

In terms of fatness/eating/cardio etc. I walk/jog (whichever the ankle allows and depending on if I'm trying to break through a barrier with my training) every morning, just a brisk 2ks.

My regular daily diet looks like this.

cup/cup n a half of oates + tbsp honey + a few sunflower seeds (I like the texture) for breakfast

snacks during the day are apple, banana, 2 saladas with some honey and PB, a nut delight muesli bar, and a protien shake (with light milk)

lunch is usually dinner left overs (or steak/chips/salad/veg on Fridays) so for today that's a homemade pizza which is on a pita base with capsicum, muschrooms, pinaapple, ham, light cheese, and a bit of salami and mixed fresh herbs from our garden, the worst thing would be I like to lash out and use BBQ sauce as a light base sauce.

Other regular dinners for us could be risotto's, homemade chicken/veg or pumpkin soup, wholemeal wraps (chicken/capcisum, cheese, mayo, avocado, lettuce) stir fries, quiches, etc

So all in all we're reasonable eaters, I do daily cardio of some sort, plus gym 3 times a week (plus chores on the weekend like mowing over 800mtrs of lawn area, working on the Sil, washing all the cars, extra dog play time) and I'm 6ft and 86kg and still have easily visible abs despite having ditched specific ab work months ago.

My waist has not changed size, just how tight my work pants fit on my butt checks and upper legs. I doubt I'm magically gaining fat in just those areas coincidentally since I started squatting and DL.

As an aside, did my second gym session with new squat/dl technique and maintained the new numbers and felt like there was more to give so I foresee some gains coming, but will take it slowly to allow my ankle time to adjust, it is not stoked about increased squat weight, seems happy enough with DL though so I imagine gains will be faster there, yay.

Before you know it, I'll catch up to Markos girls lol

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't calling you fat. Its just like everything though, newby gains make you bigger, as you progress and start building muscle, the fat still there. The body carries more fat than most realize.

[No Crust Racing]

No offense taken, just pointing out that I don't think I'm carrying "too" much given my workload and diet. I think most guys tend to carry it in the gut anyway? I know I do.

But that's also the most noticable spot when assessing via mirror etc. I'm not doing 180 over the shoulder butt checks.

[jangles]

Curiously, what do you think of this?

That's not a very nice thing to leave out then. Its like saying your car doesn't run right and blaming the tuner, when really its because you put 91 in it!

I didn't bother asking, no need to, clearly she is doing something wrong if she isn't losing fat. Maybe she simply is impatient.

I think it's completely reasonable. clean and healthy eating works by default. if you watched video log 12, it explains what I mean.

If you look through all my posts, I always mention the word optimal.

Never do I say what you teach is wrong.

If that big Mac eating obese person started to eat less calories a day by eating healthy, they'd lose fat as well.

Edited June 17, 2013 by jangles