Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Birds]

Could you send it to my son, the Prince regent of Nigeria, he is currently fleeing prosection.

Can you send it by Western Union money transfer ?

PayPal only...dispute/Nigeria resolution centre ftw

If anyone else wants to have a shot at taking the reigns, I would be happy to donate mine + Niger-san's extradition money.

[No Crust Racing]

Birds: Received, unrucky.

Lifting can be a good escape from everything I find. The only struggle is actually getting yourself there if you are feeling down. But once you get there and get some music going, for that 1.5 hours or so nothing else really matters.

This, I can be feeling very tired, flat, can't be bothered, but I will drag my arse in there (easier as it's only a room away) an I'll come out feeling better than I went in.

[No Crust Racing]

Question for the floor.

Is it as simply as size is controlled via eating? As in, If I'd like to continue getting a little stronger in certain areas but do not want to get any larger or heavier is that aspect of it controlled through eating? I'm using a 3x8 scheme at the moment to as that stops me going too heavy (which tends to see a size increase for me).

Weird request I know, not wanting to get any bigger but it's a combo of not wanting an all new wardrobe and trying to keep Kate's wishes in mind (I don't want her to be fat so she maintains a good figure, she doesn't like me too big/muscular - that's just her thing - so I keep I try and keep that in mind).

[bozodos]

thats what I'd always thought in regards to size, pity your mrs does not want you to get any bigger - mine would be content with me having the figure of a curlbro, luckily I don't lift for her (or anyone else but myself!)

The days when I feel that I can't be stuffed or too tired etc are the days that I really force myself into the gym and feel better for it mentally as well as physically. Not depending on other people to train with and being self reliant with my training has helped too, especially when partners can be flaky.

[No Crust Racing]

It's not the end of the world, without any gym and if I'm running I would easily sit in the high 70's, with gym I sit in the high 80s, I've been in the low 90's before. High 80s and 6ft is solid enough for me, at least in that it appeases my need to not be the skinny 65kg kid from high school and I look like a regular guy and not stick-tron 3000, which is all my aesthetic goal ever really has been.

That said, I'd like to continue improving on some exercises and am just curious as to how I ensure that I'm not going to gain too much ass at the same time, and I assume that's through controlling my eating?

Strong in the gym, big in the kitchen or something like that I remember hearing.

[Trozzle]

lol yep, as Markos preaches (not literal wording) - "strength is gained in the gym; size is gained in the kitchen"

[No Crust Racing]

Fair enough.

Is there any risk of eating at "maintenance" but increasing weight etc? Risk of depleting the body of anything important? So long as there's enough protein? Though I'd have thought protein control would be a big part of size control.

[Frosty]

Question for the floor.

Is it as simply as size is controlled via eating? As in, If I'd like to continue getting a little stronger in certain areas but do not want to get any larger or heavier is that aspect of it controlled through eating? I'm using a 3x8 scheme at the moment to as that stops me going too heavy (which tends to see a size increase for me).

Weird request I know, not wanting to get any bigger but it's a combo of not wanting an all new wardrobe and trying to keep Kate's wishes in mind (I don't want her to be fat so she maintains a good figure, she doesn't like me too big/muscular - that's just her thing - so I keep I try and keep that in mind).

yes and no. obviously the more you eat the more you are going to put on weight wise and size wise. Again depending on what your intake is dominated with being carbs or protein you may see loss of size but weight stay the same due to muscle increase.

3x8 is almost the sweet spot for muscle hypertrophy which is causing the muscle to gain size (thus getting bigger) if you are looking to maintain size and gain strength i personally would cycle 6 weeks supper setting high reps lighter weight and then going 6 weeks of strenghth based activity or something along those lines instead of doing specifics but thats just my professional opinion

[Frosty]

lol yep, as Markos preaches (not literal wording) - "strength is gained in the gym; size is gained in the kitchen"

This is true to an extent given you can manipulise the intake of the 3 values carbs/protein and fat

[No Crust Racing]

I was considering moving to 3x10s with 1min breaks instead of 3x8s with 2mins, as I'd like to lean up and shape a little.

[Frosty]

if you want to maintain without size you are almost constantly in a cutting stage or there abouts. Keeping the intake of protein high but including more cardio like based workouts to drop the bf%. This will keep you strong without increasing mass! super setting in a cutting phase is great for this with light weight 15 reps or so no rest. example below

a1 - 15 reps

a2 - 15 reps

90sec rest repeat 3 times

a super setting day in the gym will usually take you about 40mins or so in the gym 4 - 5 times a week depending

[-FIGJAM-]

Cant help you dan as I am weak

[No Crust Racing]

Dude we're all weak by comparison, and most of us are weak by comparison to Markos girls, so there's no ego here lol

[bozodos]

I was considering moving to 3x10s with 1min breaks instead of 3x8s with 2mins, as I'd like to lean up and shape a little.

that's what I do on the PTC Beginner program on everything but squats and RDLs (2x20 and 3x15 respectively)

[No Crust Racing]

Good to know.

We'll see what happens. At the moment I'm trying something Rev suggested first.

[Mitcho_7]

Question for the floor.

Is it as simply as size is controlled via eating? As in, If I'd like to continue getting a little stronger in certain areas but do not want to get any larger or heavier is that aspect of it controlled through eating? I'm using a 3x8 scheme at the moment to as that stops me going too heavy (which tends to see a size increase for me).

Weird request I know, not wanting to get any bigger but it's a combo of not wanting an all new wardrobe and trying to keep Kate's wishes in mind (I don't want her to be fat so she maintains a good figure, she doesn't like me too big/muscular - that's just her thing - so I keep I try and keep that in mind).

I feel like you would have a long way to go before you were getting to big...

Yes everyones perception of big is is different but getting big doesnt just happen overnight.

But playing with your diet will stop you from getting bigger. Can also hurt strength gains though. ..

Edited September 18, 2013 by Mitcho_7

[No Crust Racing]

Agreed, but we're not talking about my perception or yours, but her's. She see's me naked and has to like what she see's, she's not into muscle at all (no idea why and I wish it was different but it's not) She just prefers a leaner more athletic look. I like her a certain way, she obliges, I try and keep her wants in mind, that's compromise and one of many reasons we have a good relationship.

That's not really the question though, as my reasons aren't the important part, the question is how to achieve what I want, regardless of why I want it. I'm happy enough not being the skinny kid any more, but would like to continue setting some small strength goals and want to achieve them if possible without gaining notable size.

[Frosty]

the other way to go is start going the lower reps higher weight and keeping reps to around 5 per set and soley working on strength rather then astheitics but then i assume mitcho is right here you wont have alot to worry about at the moment as its early days

size doesnt happen overnight at any point tho you can gain strength week to week

[Mitcho_7]

With the rep ranges your training in you would still be focusing on hypertrophy moreso than anything else though. And if you modify your diet to prevent yourself from getting bigger, the strength gains are going to be harder to achieve as well.

Having said that if you change to a more powerlifting/strength based workout thats not going to mean you wont get bigger. Look at the size of all the strong guys markos post videos of, they aren't small by any stretch...

Edited September 19, 2013 by Mitcho_7

[No Crust Racing]

Yeah I'm thinking I'll end up lowering the weight on some things and increasing the reps. My body has been fairly simple in that when I do low reps higher weight, I get bigger, and when I do higher reps and lower weight I'm a bit leaner.

Food being equal that is. Doesn't seem like I'll be able to have readily increasing strength and trim up a little without a really dedicatd diet, something I'm not willing to do as this is just a hobby for me.