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More volume = more calories burned. It's one of the reasons I eat so many carbs, like a loaf of bread a day, much to Troy's heartache, and yet I'm still relatively low body fat. I push out set after set and that's my calorie burning cardio. I set Leesh up on the same volume style training - She's working out less time in the gym, but eating twice what she used to and hasn't gained any extra weight.

So when you remove all that volume training from the equation, you need to account for the extra calories you're not burning. Don't get me wrong, lifting heavier also burns more calories and puts the body into a catabolic state...but the volume makes a difference. So adjust your diet accordingly...you may need to eat a bit healthier to retain a similar body fat. Other than that, all I can think is it's just your imagination that you're getting "bulky".

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Disclaimer: Long post for dead thread I've been hitting the bells and stuff for a few years now, I now only train at at home, and first thing in the morning on a empty stomach (after a strong cup

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btw since no fker besides my boyfriend checks my build thread, I got a squat pb last night I'm weighing less and lifting more than ever woot!

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If you can carry you shopping your not buying enough food. If you cannot carry your shopping your not lifting enough. And go.

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One of the guys at our gym (I mentioned in the deadlift thread that he recently deadlifted 300kg) received a phone call from the centre manager today. The manager told him he is not allowed to use chalk anymore and to refrain from 1RM's as they are apparently intimidating some of the other gym users. The manager said to him if he wishes to continue 1RM's to find another gym...

He did a 147.5kg pb on bench tonight :)

No Crust Racing Grand Master

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More volume = more calories burned. It's one of the reasons I eat so many carbs, like a loaf of bread a day, much to Troy's heartache, and yet I'm still relatively low body fat. I push out set after set and that's my calorie burning cardio. I set Leesh up on the same volume style training - She's working out less time in the gym, but eating twice what she used to and hasn't gained any extra weight.

So when you remove all that volume training from the equation, you need to account for the extra calories you're not burning. Don't get me wrong, lifting heavier also burns more calories and puts the body into a catabolic state...but the volume makes a difference. So adjust your diet accordingly...you may need to eat a bit healthier to retain a similar body fat. Other than that, all I can think is it's just your imagination that you're getting "bulky".

Fair enough, but I do not like splitting my routine up and much prefer a full body 3x weekly, means I can miss a session without missing a body part for a full week or having to re-jig the whole routine to get it back in there. So volume becomes a problem as I like to keep to under 60mins a session where possible, shorter would be better as these days my gym is just for health/fitness/looks and only average amounts of each, nothing special.

I wouldn't think I eat heaps these days but if there's anything I should cut out it's the sweet treats that I'm fond off, cream biscuits etc which I could easily eat 2 of a day at work. Normally my "base" foods are rolled oats with lsa for breakfast, a banana and an apple for snacks, I usually have a small can of tuna with me and 2 slices wholemeal/grain bread that I might eat if I'm hungry, a protein shake (another will be had after gym on workout days) and lunch will be dinner left overs or I might hit the pub for a steak/chips salad - definitely on Fridays, but otherwise it's normally dinner left overs. We have a lot of veggies in our dinners, even something as simple as a bolognaise will have lots of grated carrot and zucchini in the sauce.

Doing a 3x8 with 2min breaks and doing squats, bench, dl, rows, weighted chins, weighted dips, is an easy hour and with Ella around now the after work time is a bit more scarce so I'm looking to shorten that, rather than add time through more sets.

Bulky is not the right term really, not in the traditional sense, it's more about context. As I said, when I'm not gyming I obviously eat less and I'm usually running also so I can "relatively" easily be in the high 70s, high 80s is a good 12-13% more mass so it's noticeable on me, especially as I have small wrists and slender limbs.

One of the guys at our gym (I mentioned in the deadlift thread that he recently deadlifted 300kg) received a phone call from the centre manager today. The manager told him he is not allowed to use chalk anymore and to refrain from 1RM's as they are apparently intimidating some of the other gym users. The manager said to him if he wishes to continue 1RM's to find another gym...

He did a 147.5kg pb on bench tonight :)

WUT? I have a hard time imagining the conversation that took place to get to that point. Though I can fully understand why chalk might be an issue at some venues.

Intimidated Gym Patron: Can you say something to that guy? He's stronger than me and it really hurts my ego because I'm a raging top bloke.

Gym Manager: No problem you pussy little kent, I'll happily tell that guy who is great advertising for my gym to not achieve what he came here to so we can spare your top bloke feelings.

I'm not sure why but that really rustles my jimmies.

Different if the guy comes in, takes all the weights, hogs all the equipment and gives birth as he lifts screaming like a dick wad, but if he's polite and not causing a scene I don't see the issue.

A mate of mine attends a gym where Matt Middleton sometimes goes into train, the guy Markos suggested I see, and he loves it and talks tips and technique etc. Despite knowing that Matt absolutely crushes him and my mate is in no short supply of ego.

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i think you'll find that some commercial gyms don't want serious lifters - after the weights room at ours was shrunk AGAIN much to the anger of all of us regulars, one of my training partners was told by an employee that the management did not care for the free weights users or investing in any more equipment / room for them as he makes all of his money out of the group fitness classes.

I think you mean anabolic rather than catatonic btw Birds?

L33SH Grand Master

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If I were that guy I'd definitely find another gym! I'd also be refusing to pay any cancellation fees or charges related to leaving their gym, if there were any. f**kers lol

He just signed up for another 18 months and the manager said he will get it all back. I think the thing is he has been going there for years (as I have) and has friends there, plus it's close to home and work for him. But he will change gyms. We are trying to work out who complained because all of us who hang in the weight area are friends, plus this guy comes at the same time every night so it has to be someone who is there from 5.30pm onwards. We're thinking one of the cardio freaks.

L33SH Grand Master

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i think you'll find that some commercial gyms don't want serious lifters - after the weights room at ours was shrunk AGAIN much to the anger of all of us regulars, one of my training partners was told by an employee that the management did not care for the free weights users or investing in any more equipment / room for them as he makes all of his money out of the group fitness classes.

I think you mean anabolic rather than catatonic btw Birds?

Yeah he got told off for bending one of the Olympic bars and was told the gym wasn't replacing any of the bars for another two years... Yet we got new treadmills 6 months ago

No Crust Racing Grand Master

No Crust Racing

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That's a fair concern then, if he's damaging equipment they have then he may have outgrown that gym.

The easy thing would be to buy a higher quality Oly bar and keep that customer happy.

Guys, I bent the bar at my gym the other day, but they were cool about it and replaced it with a better one, how good is that.

That's pretty sweet, my gym hates us, maybe we'll come to yours...

bozodos Grand Master

bozodos

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I would have thought that any bar bought from a reputable supplier would not bend under any normal amount of weight used at a gym. Even the ghetto old bars at our gym are straight!

My gym has also opened up a new facility... that is only open to those with personal training and only has treadmills and Nautilus machines, but all brand new gear at that.

Birds Grand Master

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Dan you need to read things more carefully mate. I wasn't saying you should do volume training, I was saying the opposite.

Boz - no, catabolic...the state that burns energy after you stop training. If strength training put you into a catatonic state then I probably wouldn't recommend it...although some of Troy's "recreational" routines can offer you this, if you desire.

Leesh you and the other guys should get a petition together saying that 7-8 of you will leave if this guy has to. 1 membership means nothing to them, but that's a bad little dent in the regular memberships for them if you're all at stake. They may even realise how much more loyal the dedicated free weights people are than the cardio bunnies who swap gyms on the regular or only sign up when summer comes around. Strong people are usually OCD about lots of things, they have their routines and once they find a gym they're happy with, they will stay there for a long long time...longer than most anyway.

Nee-san Grand Master

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PayPal only...dispute/Nigeria resolution centre ftw

If anyone else wants to have a shot at taking the reigns, I would be happy to donate mine + Niger-san's extradition money.

Haha, I like how there is only one G

Mitcho_7 Mentor

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Its alarming the gyms arent using decent quality barbells in the first place IMO

Even just some abc bars which are decent quality and don't cost the earth

EDit 600 for an abc bar? Mine was like 350 with an abn

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Cheap Chinese bars bend with 200kg. I was given 5-6 of them for free, all gone.

Our squat bars are good for 600kg, 35mm diameter, made in Finland, $1000

Our Eleiko bars are the best in the world, have 3 of them, $2000 each

Our deadlift bars can handle anything anyone can deadlift, the biggest dead of all was done on a Texas bar, we have 4 at $1000 each

Best local bar is ABC, hands down, cost $600, we have a dozen of them.

In the 6 years we have been open we have not bent a bar I bought, only the $180 Chinese bars I was given, hence why they are now at 2 local football clubs

Very few commercial gyms will even buy ABC bars, just Chinese ones

Your mate should go to Musclepit or PTC Leesh, they encourage 1RM's

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