Gym And Supplement Discussion

[L33SH]

Why doesn't everyone just worry about their own fking training

[Birds]

I'm your trainer...

[blah_blah]

Why doesn't everyone just worry about their own fking training

Yeah give us a turn to voice our opinions

Like this kid

[-FIGJAM-]

pfft i wake up in the morning tired

[TTT]

There are much bigger, stronger, leaner, faster people out there that don't take PWO supps or any supps for that matter.

50 years ago, there were people bigger, stronger, leaner, faster than you (as in all of us) when they were still trying to create protein powders.

If you are tired, sore, no energy etc, having a PWO supp will perk you up no doubt.. but its not sustainable.

it's like running out of fuel and filling the tank with octane booster and no fuel.

Probably work... not for a long time.

I'm sure the following posts by PWO lovers will be based around how busy their lives are etc.

lame reasons are lame.

your choice though.

You'll eventually come around much like all bro curlers look back in years time to realise they were bro curlers.

[Trozzle]

Whether you believe a PWO should or should not be required is your opinion, but those of you insisting they're a placebo or that they're pointless if your diet and recovery is spot on is an misinformed fool.

Who here is a misinformed fool?

[Birds]

I believe that they work...

But I don't believe people should use them routinely.

And I feel that those using them routinely are the misinformed fools, for they are the ones who believe they need this crutch to help them perform; that stuffing themselves with caffeine and all sorts of weird shit is the only way they can do it.

Most strong and well built people don't bother with them on a routine basis...they are the staple diet of the shortcut taker. Every recommendation I've had from someone to try a preworkout has been from someone who does not exceed my lifts or (in my opinion) my appearance, to which my reply for them is always: why, so I can be as strong / as built as you?

[TTT]

If you want a boost, take steroids.

[L33SH]

what's worse for your body roids or pre workout?

[Trozzle]

Depends on a lot of factors, though I wouldn't be surprised if PWO was worse in a lot of scenarios lol

[blah_blah]

Most strong and well built people don't bother with them on a routine basis...they are the staple diet of the shortcut taker. Every recommendation I've had from someone to try a preworkout has been from someone who does not exceed my lifts or (in my opinion) my appearance, to which my reply for them is always: why, so I can be as strong / as built as you?

But wut do when someone bigger with aesthetics gives you a recommendation?

[The Bogan]

Do what you are meant to do >

[Birds]

But wut do when someone bigger with aesthetics gives you a recommendation?

An obstacle I am yet to come across...

If my goal is to be where they are, then I would listen. But...

There are guys regularly using preworkout who are stronger than me. Also guys stronger than them who don't use it, who I could also listen to. The point here is that, unlike roids, regular use presents no significant benefit over and above a well thought out diet and rest routine. Au contraire...there are plenty of downsides.

[The Bogan]

Au contraire, dang, Im gonna use that Bessie at work, my word last week was "perchance"

[sinistaGTR]

Bah train for overall strength and fitness

[The Bogan]

Exactly Dan, my goal is to be able to beat my training max on any day.

The way I look at it is, if you cannot be at your best only using the basics then you need to look at your basics.

Or be like the guys on ICE to train and DOPE to sleep.

Disclaimer: I use protein powder, creatine and vitamins.

This discussion has got funky.

LOL

[bozodos]

If you want a boost, take steroids.

That logic is true in regards to 99% of supplements out there. Most people aren't smart enough to find out what sort of dosage, PCT to use with gear though. Many of the more garbage supps claim to give 'anabolic' effects though lol.

I don't think that pre workout is a bad thing when used sparingly. I couldn't take this stuff all the time, even if I wanted to, as I'd be awake all night, every night. I did notice on an otherwise average feeling day, that I could pump out the last 3 sets of DB rows easier or other high volume work for example. Didn't really make any difference to my 5/3/1 sets, though the lack of sleep was telling in my shitty results.

FWIW BN went on and on for ages about how their PW101 was more effective at helping during exercise than stim based stuff, they ended up caving - smartly - to market pressure for a pre workout that was stim heavy and gave 'the pump like caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahmming'.

Protein powder is a convenience, nothing more or less, despite what supp companies want you to think.

I generally only have fish oil (jury still out on benefit), Vitamin D (office worker and white as f**k) and Psyllium husk. I can't find any conclusive evidence of multivitamins being good for anything, and I don't feel any different not taking them.

I actually think that many bro curlers will never get it tbh.

[Birds]

Have you given ZMA a go, boz?

Been taking them for the last couple of weeks and although I don't notice a significant change like hey presto (unlike melatonin, which was immediately noticeable, whether good or bad effects), since taking the ZMA I seem to be able to last better in the day on insomniac sleep. May have helped with muscle recovery too? Dunno. Will have to test further by hopping off it for a few weeks and then back on. I tend to notice the effects of stimuli more in withdrawal than adding.

So many factors affecting performance at the gym; you can seldom reliably test the effects of something on your performance over short term or even long term use. Really need big sampled studies, but even then, you may be one of the people who don't respond to something lol

[L33SH]

http://www.t-nation.com/training/toughest-way-to-do-a-set

Thoughts?

[bozodos]

Have you given ZMA a go, boz?

Been taking them for the last couple of weeks and although I don't notice a significant change like hey presto (unlike melatonin, which was immediately noticeable, whether good or bad effects), since taking the ZMA I seem to be able to last better in the day on insomniac sleep. May have helped with muscle recovery too? Dunno. Will have to test further by hopping off it for a few weeks and then back on. I tend to notice the effects of stimuli more in withdrawal than adding.

So many factors affecting performance at the gym; you can seldom reliably test the effects of something on your performance over short term or even long term use. Really need big sampled studies, but even then, you may be one of the people who don't respond to something lol

I have some here, but I keep forgetting to take it; it probably wouldn't be a bad thing though, since I sweat a lot.

Leesh: I don't like the idea of doing partial ROM squats, due to the stress it puts on the knees. I've heard of a similar yet different method which involves doing a set til failure, then having a spotter help you do the final rep in parts until you physically cannot move it anymore.

Edited July 5, 2014 by bozodos