Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Birds]

lol, OK.

"we see it differently and that's completely OK."

In other news, added a tiny amount of weight to chins and dips again, ready to start putting weight back on the bench also I think.

Been doing sprints on the bike to make up for resting lower back (no squats).

Back up to 85kg in the mornings, was as low as 82.

A session only takes 20-30mins tops as I'm using 30/60sec breaks.

Then we swapped places cause I used to be 80-82, but clocked in at 86 lastnight

Thing is it doesn't look like I've gained much fat at all but I'm also not a great deal stronger than I was at 80-82

Hypertrophy?

Either way Leesh is happier

[PWND]

down to 114 this morning. was 120 just after Christmas, so slowly dropping. another 10 off and I will be happy. 15 off and I will be ecstatic. don't want to go bellow 100kg though.

[PWND]

I love this, because it's ironic my missus has complimented me on my back many times heh. Silly ignorant f**kers.

Semi-related to back muscles, I finally proper tore a callous doing deadlifts today....regret forgetting my chalk felt the bar rotate/slip a tiny bit in my left hand....yep....ripped it nicely

good ole torn calluses. I only ever seem to get them bellow the ring and pinkie finger.

not too bad at the moment as I am only dead lifting 100kg ish because of the bung knee.

[tweety bird]

Either way Leesh is happier

And that's all that matters.

[Birds]

And that's all that matters.

It's half of what matters

[Birds]

I love this, because it's ironic my missus has complimented me on my back many times heh. Silly ignorant f**kers.

Semi-related to back muscles, I finally proper tore a callous doing deadlifts today....regret forgetting my chalk felt the bar rotate/slip a tiny bit in my left hand....yep....ripped it nicely

Yeah well they are the most popular muscles but most females can tell a guy looks stupid if he doesn't build up the rest too

And those who have been around guys with good bodies long enough start to appreciate the other muscles too

[Birds]

Troy are you gripping the bar in the middle of your palm? I grip the bar across the bottom of the fingers where they join the palm and this doesn't pinch any skin there. I've never torn a callus that I haven't pulled off myself on purpose, but my calluses are also prolly too fkn big to tear lol

[L33SH]

It's half of what matters

Nah

[Trozzle]

lol Birds is reply-trigger happy

It had a lot to do with not having chalk and the knurling on the bar being a little gunky and polished so I was constantly regripping I know I had to adjust my grip prior to the final rep that caused the tear, which is where I think I f**ked up. I'm using alternate grip with my left hand over the bar, where I'll usually have the bar sitting on top of my callouses in my right palm, but in my left it will be in the crevice between callous and finger. I suspect I may have had it above the callouses in my left.....I dunno. Either way, wouldn't have happened if I didn't forget my chalk

Doesn't help I'm only just getting back into deadlifts again either haha....only up to 145kg at the mo'

[No Crust Racing]

Then we swapped places cause I used to be 80-82, but clocked in at 86 lastnight

Thing is it doesn't look like I've gained much fat at all but I'm also not a great deal stronger than I was at 80-82

Hypertrophy?

Either way Leesh is happier

What am I misreading, I don't think we've swapped places. You were low 80's, now mid 80's. I was low 80's (but started from high 80s before getting sick/injured. ) and am now mid 80s.

Though I have gotten and stayed weaker overall and have no great desire to push hard to regain it. Will be adopting a very very slow and steady attitude with very small increases over long periods. Just trying to stay in shape.

[Dani Boi]

I don't understand BN's protein matrix. What's the point of mixing a whole bunch of proteins together?

I bought some BCAA recovery (watermelon) from them. Not particularly impressed with the flavour as it tastes like weak cordial. Also got the free bag of green fusion, doesn't taste too bad, might make it a usual

Edited February 18, 2015 by Dani Boi

[Birds]

Their theory was that different proteins have different advantages and matrix combines the advantages of them.

But then, BN, however good and well priced their products are, are the kings of unsubstantiated marketing suggestions.

[rev210]

I don't understand BN's protein matrix. What's the point of mixing a whole bunch of proteins together?

I bought some BCAA recovery (watermelon) from them. Not particularly impressed with the flavour as it tastes like weak cordial. Also got the free bag of green fusion, doesn't taste too bad, might make it a usual

Some protein is expensive , some is cheap. The mix is mostly full of the cheap stuff, with a hint of the expensive stuff.good marketing really.

All the whey protein is really bio available, who cares as long as its cheap. Don't want the soy based stuff though.

[mr skidz]

real food is king.

[Trozzle]

Oh look, arguing moot points again

[No Crust Racing]

If we didn't talk shit about the 1%ers we'd never post in here because the basics are pretty much undisputed.

In more interesting news, my new swaybar links arrived, now I just need the bars to get here.

Edited February 18, 2015 by ActionDan

[PWND]

Chest day today. Pain all across my left pec/shoulder. Might have a light case of tendonitis. Will have to give it a rest for a week or so and hopefully it doesn't linger.

[bozodos]

I figured their Protein Matrix was their attempt at an ON Gold Standard knock off

[Trozzle]

Chicken breast:

$9/kg (average)

21g protein per 100g - 210g/1kg

23g protein per $1

BN WPC:

$29/kg (when only buying 1kg)

78g protein per 100g - 780g/1kg

27g protein per $1 (or 39g per $1 when buying 5kg at once, as most seem to do)

Obviously there's more to it than how much you're paying for a gram of protein between powder and "real food" like your goals etc (wholefoods better for dieting as they're more filling, etc)....but seriously, before you* (*not directed at anyone specific) go harping on about "real food" being superior and/or cheaper....some simple mathematics might open your eyes. Given we're discussing protein sources (not fat, carbohydrates, or micronutrients), WPC represents the best value for money. End of discussion. You can keep your excessive volumes of meat; I'll keep my money and sip on my shake while you prepare and shovel down that rather filling steak (FWIW, I f**king LOVE steak and would never ditch eating meat just coz powder is cheaper).

My point here is exclusively aimed at the bullshit that keeps being repeated about meat being cheaper and supplements being a waste of money, which isn't accurate. Wholefoods are better for you (still arguable depending on the food itself), but by no means are they a cheaper source of protein for the average person who doesn't buy multiple kilograms of meat at once.

The same mathematical breakdown can be applied to the argument of WPC vs WPI. Per gram of protein, WPC is cheaper. So unless you have digestive issues forcing you to buy WPI, or you legitimately dislike the taste/texture of WPC, you're spending more than you need to.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Trozzle

[bozodos]

Yeah it's hard to eat enough protein if you're not trying to gain weight, that said, I don't really like the taste of WPC and tend to find it bloats me, so I prefer blends or WPI. I do have to tell a lot of people that I don't think that protein powder has any magical effects etc etc though.