Gym And Supplement Discussion

[GTR_JOEY]

yea i couldnt get two of the same shots.. next time i take one itll be the same as the second photo..

goin to try cut another 4kgs and see how im looking from there, just really wanna get some good ab definition back and get rid of the love handles

[-FIGJAM-]

Brought a slow release protein shake today, forget what its called but along the lines of "Slow Releaze" flavor is Vanilla Devine...

Also got myself some German brand Creatine which has me a little worried, 20odd gram servings....

To go along with that I got some Jacked 3d to see how that works.

[GHOSTrun]

Speaking of Creatine, Joey can you tell me what to buy and how much to take and how often?

[Dani Boi]

Any brand of creatine monoydrate is good. Follow the instructions on the packet.

Edited January 28, 2012 by Dani Boi

[GHOSTrun]

Is the "loading phase" they recommended true or just marketing shit to make you use a tonne first up? (I have heard it's bs but not sure)

[GTR_JOEY]

havent used monohydrate yet mate,

ive tried using Krealkaline, it basically has a higher ph level (more alkaline) and stops your stomach from breaking most of it down before ur body can actually use it (thats what the suppliment companys say anyway)

ive stopped using it for a while so ill be giving it another crack and see if i can notice a difference in my training..

never really got into monohydrate stuff as alot of what you take doesnt actually get into your system, thats why u need to load on it and take so much of it.

People do say theyve had good results with it though. You will more then likely put a kilo or 2 on in the first few weeks due to water retention

Edited January 29, 2012 by GTR_JOEY

[Dani Boi]

The loading phase is one of those debatable subjects where everyone has an opinion if it's necessary or not. I personally do not load and only take the 5g serving a day in my PWO shake. It's a fairly inexpensive supplement anyway and there are alot of articles that claim it works.

[GTR_JOEY]

With suppliments i generally try and take a bit more then what is recommended..

id rather overdue it a little bit then under do it and be wasting my time and money..

thats what i reckon anyway

[GHOSTrun]

I've heard it's one of the few suppliments that actually has a quantifiable effect. I'm interested to see if it will help my training as far as increased work capacity goes because that's where I'm struggling at the moment when training upperbody - I'm just getting tired/fatigued too soon, I want to do more work but just physically can't.

[Tangles]

Mike, something like Scivation Extend may help with covering the fatigue you are experiencing

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sv/xtend.html

Its the BCAA's that feed your muscle cells during & post workout, helping release ATP (cell energy).

Ive ordered a tub & will see how it goes for me. Will use it during workout in my water bottle.

Had a good 100min session just now, pretty stuffed After 17sessions Ive found Im now back to my starting weight (lost then gained 3kg); drinking heaps of water so most likely fluid retention along with some muscle growth / fat loss.

[Trozzle]

One of our resident heavy lifters wanna critique my squat form? Just feels (and also looks) like I'm leaning forward retardedly when I'm standing straight. Also how does the depth look for 100kg? lol

It's also annoying how skinny/small this makes me look lol, think it's from the position my arms/shoulders are in. Finally, yes, I realise my ass is somewhat of a stand-out feature (nohomo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6bXlgbqshg

[GTR_JOEY]

Depth isnt to bad to start with, you sorta get a bit lazier towards the end

of course you can go deeper but it needs to be a comfortable movement, maybe go lighter and try for depth next session

form isnt to bad, make sure u keep a tight core, a straight back and push off ur heels as your coming up

[Trozzle]

Cheers for the tips I can go deeper, was just getting lazy really couldn't have been f**ked doing anything today, tired and sunburnt Is my lower back a little too curved back? Feels fine and natural to me when I'm doing it. Also really, listen to the music in the background. How the f**k am I supposed to be motivated by that trash?

Here's 130kg I did afterwards, definitely not as deep and I just got really meh towards the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN9sMsHVC3o

[Tangles]

More weight isnt always better. My "warm up" exercise is standing calf raises, after stretches; been doing them in sets of 15 (6-7 sets generally) at either 100 or 110kg.

Today went down to 50kg and did them real slow, nice and slow with a hold/contraction at the highest point of the raise - wowee!! Hardcore burn from it; cant wait 'till tomorrows set! Really showed me Form > Mass

[KezR33]

Drop the weight, go much, much deeper. The safety bars beside you are far too high.

Try doing box squats to build your confidence in depth.

[R31Nismoid]

I've heard it's one of the few suppliments that actually has a quantifiable effect. I'm interested to see if it will help my training as far as increased work capacity goes because that's where I'm struggling at the moment when training upperbody - I'm just getting tired/fatigued too soon, I want to do more work but just physically can't.

I noticed i had more "time" in me when I was using it a couple years back. Not energy, just more so less fatigue in actual muscle.

You can "load", however I found it just upset my guts massively so I backed off after a week and just went normal doses.

Usually morning and arvo mixed in with a shake (shake being post workout usually)

It's like having sand mixed into it though... Just a word of warning

[Trozzle]

Drop the weight, go much, much deeper. The safety bars beside you are far too high.

Try doing box squats to build your confidence in depth.

Will try box squats for sure. 90kg I can get down as low as I can physically go without having to lift my heals in order to keep my balance. Haven't actually tried going that low with higher weight.

[GHOSTrun]

Troz, they are quarter squats, need to go much deeper mate. Think of it this way, by only doing a 1/4 of the lift you're missing out on 3/4 of the training benefit = big waste of time.

From looking at that I reckon you could benefit greatly from starting with 60kg, and do either 5 sets of 10 reps, or 2-3 sets of 20 reps per session, going all the way down (hamstrings need to touch your calves), every session you complete the sets x reps then add 2.5kg next session. If you're eating enough food and getting your sleep you should be able to consistantly add 2.5kg every session all the way up to at least 100kg before it starts getting tougher, but by that stage you'll have built a solid base and mental endurance for pushing through it.

Here's an old vid from a few years back when I first started training like I describe above, it's the best example I can give of what a full squat is and how a proper 20 rep breathing set should be done (that is, 3 big breaths at the top of the lift) - http://youtu.be/NWUxf4Y8twU

Edited January 29, 2012 by GHOSTrun

[Trozzle]

I'm starting to think that video is actually making it look like I'm not going as low as I really am. Believe me, there's not much further I can go before I physically can't go lower.

60kg doesn't even feel like there's weight there. 20 reps is a walk in the park. As I said above, I can easily to 12 reps of 90kg as low as I can possibly squat (the point where you can't quite balance without lifting your heels)

[-FIGJAM-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM7uyP6cXgY