Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Birds]

Aaaaand while I'm ranting (sorry Mitch, this isn't targeted specifically at you), people are always looking for the quickest/easiest way to gain the most amount of muscle like a friggen infomercial, turning to a hundred different powders to substitute their lack of discipline etc. I got skinny mates wasting money on creatine and they barely get to the gym twice a week lol. There's a direct correlation between how much effort you want to put in to the lifestyle and how much you get out of it. That's right, it's a lifestyle. You work the rest of your life around it and not the other way around. Go to a gym on a 40+ degree day and take a look at the kind of people in there - big/strong c**ts!

[-FIGJAM-]

and I dont disagree with anything that you have said mate.

I am not one of those skinny pricks winging about not getting bigger and claiming to do everything right. I am one of the skinny pricks who does what he can when he can, and try to ruin myself at the gym every night.

[TM7GTR]

Eat meat and pasta until you're crapping twice a day.

I crap like 3 times a day on average... just thought i'd let everyone know..

[SoFreshSoClean]

2. Eat meat and pasta until you're crapping twice a day.

Fkn lol, that's one thing you never realise until you start eating a ton

People weigh themselves because it's difficult to get a sense of progress.. When you see yourself every day it can seem like you're going nowhere. You are right though, it's the weight you're lifting that counts the most.

[TTT]

3 ply soft toilet paper is a must.

also good idea to get those flushable "refresher" wipes

Eat lots of leafy greens.. it helps.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

do you guys hit up the casein as well as isolate different parts of the day?

I've started taking Optimum Nutrition Casein at night, and Gold Standard Isolate post workout. Not sure if it's a waste of money, also my post workout shake includes 5 grams of pure GAT Creatine Monohydrate.

[-FIGJAM-]

I tried the casein shakes before bed but due to taste I really struggle to get into them. there seems to be mixed reviews on their usefulness, some people swear by them others not so much.

From what I have read, provided you get the 2g of protein per pound of weight or whatever the calculation is, you should be fine. For me around 200g of protein a day is good.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

I am starting to notice some gains, but I am not sure if that's the Creatine Monohydrate or it's because of the good source of protein.

One thing I've noticed is that Casein is not cheap and tastes like dirt, it's also hard to mix.

[-FIGJAM-]

could just be that ure getting more protein in your diet, but like i said some people swear by them, Hugh Jackman says he has one in water next to his bed when he bulks up for a movie.

Creatine could make you appear bigger as (i believe) it does help retain water.

But if youre seeing gains then youre doing something right so keep at it.

[NickR33]

hey Birds as much as I hate to say it I'm a 'behind the head press' convert... been doing them regularly as the stretch at the bottom is really nice and I'm trying to increase my ROM... I also like that they take the upper chest out of the equation

I still don't like doing behind the neck pull ups but the press is good

we did a bit of a mobility class last night... turns out my hip flexors and quads are ridiculously tight (most likely from sitting all day) which has been causing me some lower back and groin discomfort... which I usually just ignore but I'm going to work on... the rest of my group thought watching me try to stretch was pretty funny... it wasn't and I was glad to get into the weight room and lift some heavy shit

we also did some foam rolling which I've been meaning to try for ages... painful but I'm going to work it into my sessions

Edited May 9, 2012 by NickR33

[Birds]

Haha nice! I don't see many at my gym doing them, I almost feel like saying hi when I do. Just have to start light and slowly build up flexibility so you don't damage the neck/shoulders...but unless I've been predisposed to it, they've never given me an injury. I like to stand with one foot forward and knees slightly bent to take care of the back. Good exercise if you ever want to get into tandem surfing

They've done wonders for my delts over the years and they made my progression into squats very easy, given the bottom of the ROM is the resting position for squats. Consequently my hands also rest closer than most people for squats because I have the flexiblity from behind neck press.

lol that's like meatheads going to pilates classes and getting owned, thinking it's gonna be piss because they can bench twice their own weight. Then the muscle we build around ourselves further reduces our flexibility...

[NickR33]

yeah I've only gone too heavy once on the behind the neck press, had to rest it on my shoulders squat style and have my mate lift it off for me lol... not like when your pressing in front and you can turn it into a push press to get a few more reps... my flexibilty isn't great there but I also have short arms and quite a solid upper back which doesn't help

yeah the flexibilty thing only bothers me from an injury prevention point of view... I've always been really quick, with a good vertical, quite explosive/athletic etc so being good at yoga has never really interested me... my agility hasn't suffered with weight training, in fact I feel faster and my vertical has improved a lot with squatting etc... still can't dunk though!

there is a tipping point though... when the extra muscle is not worth the effort of having to carry it round... that doesn't really apply for lifting sports but for anything that involves running, change of direction, jumping it certainly affects performance

MMA athletes are a great case in point... in the early days they were all monsters but slowly over time (and with stricter PED testing) they have leaned down to have a good trade off between power/stamina

[-FIGJAM-]

MMA fighters dont carry much muscle because it fills with blood and lactic acid faster resulting in less oxygen around the body (or something) which makes it harder to grapple, shoot for take downs and even hold their arms up to defend them self. Has nothing to do with PED testing only the evolution of the sport the sport is now a professional sport.

Sport specific training is different across all codes and completely different to bodybuilding and even Crossfit.

[TTT]

MMA fighters dont carry much muscle because it fills with blood and lactic acid faster resulting in less oxygen around the body (or something) which makes it harder to grapple, shoot for take downs and even hold their arms up to defend them self.

[-FIGJAM-]

I forget the actual science behind it all. I know it has something to do with blood, lactic acid and or oxygen. Not entirely sure I will try to find the info later

in layman turns they wear out much faster and as Joe Rogan says "gas" much faster then the leaner guys. This is especially true when it comes to grappling. If wrestle with them in a way that keeps them pinned against the cage, arms stretched right out on the ground for extended periods of time these are the people that go the fastest. Most mma fighters will do some sort of full body workout which does not rely heavily on weights even if they want to go up a division.

Also before you try to say I dont know what im talking about or anything along those lines. I have trained in martial arts most my (short) life. Was training in MMA with professional fighters doing all the same stuff that they did. Have trained at Mark Hunts gym in Minto also Lions Den in Kingsgrove reason as to why I dont still train and fight is due to health.

[TTT]

I know sweet f**k all about MMA and it interests me 0%.

but more muscle does not equal more lactic acid or prevention of oxygen around the body etc..

heavily muscled "usually" means slow moving

leaner usually means faster moving

So it's easier to be fitter at a lower weight because you have less to move around etc.

so as you say you don't get "gassed" as quick as the heavier fella.

But, if the 2 fighters are 100kg @ 6' tall, and one is 8% fat and the other is 20% fat, the one with less fat means he has more muscle.. this doesn't mean he will have more lactic acid issues or problems with oxygen traveling around the body or whatever it is you were trying to say.

I don't know (care) what the divisions are in MMA... but yes, it makes sense that the endurance grappling, rolling around with your balls in another mans face while sniffing his feet would suit a lighter person.

question for you.. I assume you like the "look" of MMA fighters right?

and you have trained in MMA, and know how they train even when trying to go up a division, and that it is some sort of full body workout.... so why do you train the way you do?

Do you know better?

[-FIGJAM-]

the point i was making relates more to fighters of old like Mark Coleman and some today like Bobby Lashley. Not so much fighters like GSP which with what you have said is correct it doesnt effect them nearly as much.

I love MMA that is true. But I believe they get their builds due to the whole package of training that they do, general conditioning, strength training, explosive movements, rolling, boxing etc. Not just what they do in the weight room. Due to health I can no longer train like that.

I dont know better then professional strength and conditioning coaches nor do I pretend to. I train the way I do because of my spotter, he is much bigger and I enjoy just working out with him. Pretty sure he is on a cut routine at the moment before he goes on holiday.

As a point of interest has anyone here ever done crossfit?

I have read a bit into it seems like it would be quite difficult but at the same time a fair bit of fun. Also whilst at the gym expo this year I watched the Men's Fitness Crossfit challenge and the blokes and gals that competed in it had impressive physiques.

[TTT]

Crossfit = olympic movements for reps = high chance of injury.

Still, better than your current routine.

[NickR33]

crossfit is more than just olympic movements for reps... they do all kinds of shit but pretty much all of it is done poorly... I don't want to even talk about what they call a pull-up... and they do some of the more technical power lifts (such as olympic lifts) in a fatigued state... so I agree, big chance of injury with crossfit but it will get you in shape

Ps. Mark Hunt is a fckn legend

[Birds]

lol if it's anything like the pullups in that Tough Mudder training video, don't wanna know about it!