Gym And Supplement Discussion

[vspecIInur]

I currently stand at 91kg +/- 1kg weight flucuations. I forgot to mention that I did a blood test prior this to make sure everything was ok. Only thing is getting total testoterone measured...doctors are hesitant to do it and costs quite a bit of coin.

By the way, the concentrations I took were 400mg-500mg of test prop per week (every 2nd day injection) & 80mg each day for the oxy. I made sure liver values were in check prior and after too. It's quite a headache to go through this when you want to do it properly. Fortuantely I work in the pharmaceutical industry as a chemist so I'm quite familiar with things. You have to ensure injections are done properly.

Universal soldier style might exist one day hehe. You feel like a super being when your strength has doubled in such a small amount of time and doing legs has to be my favourite as you absolutely wreck them.

If you can get your hands on HCG then that would be your best friend for post cycle.

I know I may sound like one of those juice heads from those roid forums but I'm just letting everyone know what's exactly involved.

[NickR33]

I know I may sound like one of those juice heads from those roid forums but I'm just letting everyone know what's exactly involved.

not at all... sounds like you've actually done your research and have taken all the proper precautions... the fact that it's such a headache to do properly is an indication of why it cops a bad wrap... I can imagine many young guys can't be bothered to do it correctly... your obviously at a huge advantage working in the industry and sounds like you approached it with a level head

that said I still think it's a pointless waste of time and money for someone who is just training as a hobby but that's just my personal opinion

[-FIGJAM-]

think it also gets a bad wrap due to the health issues that follow suit.

[God_speed]

I currently stand at 91kg +/- 1kg weight flucuations. I forgot to mention that I did a blood test prior this to make sure everything was ok. Only thing is getting total testoterone measured...doctors are hesitant to do it and costs quite a bit of coin.

By the way, the concentrations I took were 400mg-500mg of test prop per week (every 2nd day injection) & 80mg each day for the oxy. I made sure liver values were in check prior and after too. It's quite a headache to go through this when you want to do it properly. Fortuantely I work in the pharmaceutical industry as a chemist so I'm quite familiar with things. You have to ensure injections are done properly.

Universal soldier style might exist one day hehe. You feel like a super being when your strength has doubled in such a small amount of time and doing legs has to be my favourite as you absolutely wreck them.

If you can get your hands on HCG then that would be your best friend for post cycle.

I know I may sound like one of those juice heads from those roid forums but I'm just letting everyone know what's exactly involved.

Definitely sounds to me like the "right" way to go about it; research was done before commencing, blood work was carried out for baseline and to monitor liver, and top of that the advantage of industry knowledge.

So docs are actually hesitant to measure test levels?

[TM7GTR]

I currently stand at 91kg +/- 1kg weight flucuations. I forgot to mention that I did a blood test prior this to make sure everything was ok. Only thing is getting total testoterone measured...doctors are hesitant to do it and costs quite a bit of coin.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you Nathan? I personally wouldn't use the gear until I'm at least 25 as this is commonly referred to as the period in your life where your endocrine system balances out properly --> least risk involved in doing a cycle or two. If you know what you're doing it's really not going to hurt you doing one cycle. Also curious as to how tall you are and it would be interesting to see some lifting figures (i.e. increases in bench, squat, deads, etc) as well as girth measurement increases in that 8 week period.

[vspecIInur]

I'm 26 years old, started training when I was 18, my dad was involved with body building. So I've always been surrounded by it. There are some valids points been raised. If you asked me "is it worth it for all that money just for one proper cycle?". I would say no unless your doing competition as your full time job. Most young ones are low budget, skip PCT and I want to be big. Definitely not the right way to go about it. I've done lots of research on all class of steroids (complements to my pharmacolgy and toxicology studies).

If I get a chance I can post a pic (feels weird posting pics lol). Anyway docs will ask you some serious questions and they will send you to a endocrinologist. Whether you lie about it or not, the truth will show since your body goes through homeostatic mehcanisms and negative feedback; unless you know some dodgy docs than go for it.

My lifts before were 80kg barbell and 45-50kg dumbell (each). Now they are 130kg barbell and 62.5kg dumbell (each). Squats were 60-80kg full range and now it's 125kg (get some lower back pain though...). Barbell curls were at 40kg full range and now it's 70kg. I can do 15 pull ups easy now where before I struggled with 6 reps. Barbell row is up at 80kg from 35kg. That's just some exercises and definitely is insane to feel much much stronger. I train even harder now just to maintain.

In terms of girth measurements, well..haven't really bothered to measure but my jeans went up from size 32 to size 36. Legs were my biggest growth which I'm pleased about. I'm roughly 10-11% bodyfat now. My post cycle was proper prescriptions that require specialist approval normally.

I'm actually glad that there's some constructive feedback

[Dani Boi]

How much did it cost you for an 8 week cycle out of interest?

[TTT]

I assume you are also more interested in looks rather than a strength sport.

My opinion is that someone who squats 80kg and benches the same and turns to PEDs is doing it wrong.

But in terms of looks, it was probably a much more dramatic change.

Good on you for educating yourself before jumping in.

[rev210]

Finally got around to doing my first session of squats in a very very long time. Was planning to do more leg work excersises in the same session but, was struck by the usual fatigue you get when you start up plus pushing 40 old man fatigue. Figured I did ok, though I felt totally shot. So I left it at 2 sets of hack (bar at the front/crossed arms) and 2 sets of regular Squats ,both full range. 12-14 ish reps each set.

Used the backyard gear bar and had no rack so needed to lift the weight of the deck, which not being olympic also left a nice bruise on the upper back ha ha.

Suprised by the muscle memory being able to lift controlled/ stable despite a lack of flexibillity.

The idea is get the strength back to look after the knees / back /shoulders as I get old so hopefully I make it to the next workout next week. Just finished tweaking the diet to drop down to the present 92kgs.Provided I stick with this and I get this workout to habbit stage I will start adding calories again and probably go train at a mates powerlifting orientated gym.

[TM7GTR]

My opinion is that someone who squats 80kg and benches the same and turns to PEDs is doing it wrong.

Dude, not everyone cares about how much they lift

Speaking of squats, what opinions do you guys have on squatting with a 3D rack (smith machine that lets you lift the bar off then walk forwards/backwards) ? Couldn't get the normal squat rack the other day so I had to use the 3D. Managed to hit 120kg for 2+2+2 x 4.

[rev210]

Dude, not everyone cares about how much they lift

Speaking of squats, what opinions do you guys have on squatting with a 3D rack (smith machine that lets you lift the bar off then walk forwards/backwards) ? Couldn't get the normal squat rack the other day so I had to use the 3D. Managed to hit 120kg for 2+2+2 x 4.

yeah I don't like the look of them for squats if you have been doing them in a normal rack. I won't pretend to know how squats in this machine would be having not used it but, I have seen it and would imaging knee injury is a risk as there is a balancing that goes on as you squat through the core and all the muscles of the leg. There are typically some strength differences and sometimes size differences between each side of your body and although hopefully not huge differences the movement takes place balancing these through the range. Unless you are perfectly symetrical is size (length of muscle/bones) and strength you are adopting an artificial balance of 50/50 which isn't good.

Perhaps I'm wrong but, in the distant past when I was at the gym I never looked at the 3D & smith rack as offering any bonus over what good form could offer.

[GTR_JOEY]

Nathan when your talking about your 130 bench and so on, are they your 1RM, sets of 6-8?

Has your dead lifts gone up? What to?

Personally id love to hit the juice if I could get away with it... But I'm only 23 and still getting stronger so I'm happy to wait.

[Trozzle]

You don't even lift Joey.

[GTR_JOEY]

Imagine if I did

[Trozzle]

lol mofo

[GHOSTrun]

haha

[TTT]

Dude, not everyone cares about how much they lift

Dude really dude?

OMG dude.

you read the 4 lines I wrote and decided to quote that one which started with "My opinion"?

Also, if he didn't care about who much he lifted, why did he post about his gains in strength multiple times?

Edited June 10, 2012 by TTT

[GTR_JOEY]

Couple of new things I'm starting to try out..

Now taking endura 2-3 times a day, is loaded with magnesium, potassium, calcium and sodium..

My work load is pretty intense at the moment so using it for muscle hydration and physical output..

Also now taking a protein with carbs in it as appose to adding dextrose.. The protein is approx 25% carbs though I'm also eating a sweet fruit just before my post workout shake ie an orange, apple or pear.. Loaded with fructose so it's a good hit of sugar.

Also swapped my Swiss multi V for Ethical nutrients super multi plus which I've been told is better then Swiss. It's also alot cheaper pill for pill.. Think it was around $22 for 120 tablets!!

Also starting a 5x5 routine, gonna give that a go for 4-6 weeks.. Hopefully shock the body a bit and make some good gains..

Also managed to do 180 x 2 deadies this arvo, ripped one of my calisus off in the process ... Aiming to go for 200, which i think is alright when your 6.1 and 89kg...

Edited June 10, 2012 by GTR_JOEY

[rev210]

Also managed to do 180 x 2 deadies this arvo, ripped one of my calisus off in the process

lifting without the girly 'workout gloves'

People think thats how you avoid calisus but, as you discovered it's easy just to rip them off by lifting heavier ha ha..

[vspecIInur]

How much did it cost you for an 8 week cycle out of interest?

All up in total a good 1.5k. It's not something that you want to keep on doing (health wise) and it will add up yearly if you were to cycle on and off. But it's personal choice. You have to accept the fact that there are risks no matter what and how perfect you do it. With drugs in general = risks. Plus combinatorial chemistry of drugs = lethal.

Nathan when your talking about your 130 bench and so on, are they your 1RM, sets of 6-8?

Has your dead lifts gone up? What to?

Personally id love to hit the juice if I could get away with it... But I'm only 23 and still getting stronger so I'm happy to wait.

When I'm talking about what I lift, it's aiming for at least 6 reps. I go by the rule that if I can do 6 reps easy then up the weight. I find my stimulus is at 6 reps but someone else's could be different. Less reps means more of strength training which isn't my goal. As what's mentioned earlier, TTT does post some solid criticism but I like to just explain to everyone that yes, you will gain strength jumping on the anabolic-androgenic steroidal pathway. See reality is, most just copy everyone else - with the analogy of amphetamines at trance events and taking roids as soon as you hit the gym.