Gym And Supplement Discussion

[SRS13]

TM7GTR: Will take the shoulder feedback on board - cheers.

Trozzle: The gym has a machine that you can use your legs separately or can be used pushing both legs together or each leg alternating. You load the free weights onto the machine for each leg. Can be used as a press but ensures each leg pushes the same amount: just not as declined as the normal press machine.

[GTR_JOEY]

What happened to good old fashion free weight squats people??

[Trozzle]

What happened to good old fashion free weight squats people??

I mentioned I pushed out 140kg x5 freeweight squat a few posts ago ya big girl!

[GTR_JOEY]

Yea I ignore your posts Troy

[TTT]

What happened to good old fashion free weight squats people??

squats are too hard.

[GHOSTrun]

I mentioned I pushed out 140kg x5 freeweight squat a few posts ago ya big girl!

I don't want to offend Trozzle, but if you're not going to squat below parallel you may as well just stick to leg press.

From the last video you put up of your 120kg squats they were all high, so I'm pretty certain these 140's you claim will also be high..

[Trozzle]

I don't want to offend Trozzle, but if you're not going to squat below parallel you may as well just stick to leg press.

From the last video you put up of your 120kg squats they were all high, so I'm pretty certain these 140's you claim will also be high..

Nah that's cool man, I had never had anyone with me to critique/correct my technique until I recorded that. Since then I have always done squats with my mate, and initially dropped the weight back to an easy 80kg then ensured that every squat was at least parallel from there on.

I don't go below parallel as when I do with anything over 100kg my left knee goes all weird and has a worrying ache immediately afterwards. Going to parallel with any weight feels perfectly fine though, so I do go parallel with 140kg

[Birds]

What's wrong with squatting to parallel?

[GHOSTrun]

What's wrong with squatting to parallel?

Nothing, my comment was about the 120's which were higher that's all.

I don't go below parallel as when I do with anything over 100kg my left knee goes all weird and has a worrying ache immediately afterwards. Going to parallel with any weight feels perfectly fine though, so I do go parallel with 140kg

Hmm doesn't sound good , well unless you address it I guess all you can do is work around it like you're doing

Edited July 29, 2012 by GHOSTrun

[Trozzle]

Nothing, my comment was about the 120's which were higher that's all.

Hmm doesn't sound good , well unless you address it I guess all you can do is work around it like you're doing

It's undoubtedly nothing since I don't get anything similar when doing any variation of leg press, but yeah better safe than sorry.

[TM7GTR]

What's wrong with squatting to parallel?

There's nothing wrong, although some studies have shown that the full depth squats cause the knee joint to lubricate with synovial fluid more efficiently. I guess this way if you were to fail at parallel and drop beyond, the knee is well prepared rather than the muscles giving up completely at this "sticking point". The other issue would be reduced flexibility in the hip flexors.

[Trozzle]

There's nothing wrong, although some studies have shown that the full depth squats cause the knee joint to lubricate with synovial fluid more efficiently. I guess this way if you were to fail at parallel and drop beyond, the knee is well prepared rather than the muscles giving up completely at this "sticking point". The other issue would be reduced flexibility in the hip flexors.

On the flipside consider the possible injuries caused by the direction of force being applied to the joints when beyond parallel. The force is now no longer compressing the joint, it is in a small way attempting to separate it.

[TTT]

your calves and hams will prevent it from "separating" as you call it.

parallel or full squats is a huge argument not worth opening.

Especially since this is not about someone looking for 3 white lights after squatting to show it was below parallel and competition legal.

if you are to look at it from a "training" point of view, when doing bicep curls, do you curl the bar from your thighs up to mid point and call it a rep or do you curl till forearm and bicep meet?

squat to parallel will give your legs a workout, but if you have the flexibility (which with stretching and mobility work 99% of people without a birth defect or fused joint due to an operation could get) then squatting to full depth where your calves and hams prevent you from going any lower will build strength and muscles that half squats can't.

look at some old school photos of the greats squating.

Arnie

Dave Draper (Pic title says tom platz but it's not)

Tom Platz (I'm sure you've seen his legs)

Anatoly Pisarenko (you may not know of him)

[NickR33]

totally agree... however for some people it takes some serious practice to get that low correctly... not as easy as it looks!

the olympic lifters make it look so effortless... was watching the 48kg girls C&J 100kg+ above their heads... serious reality check for anyone who thinks they're strong

[Trozzle]

Looking at that pic of Arnie, his lower back (will, the whole thing really) is doing exactly what I though you weren't supposed to do

[dezz]

Everyone post their chest workouts. Mine is years overdue for a change, only problem is apart from bench (flat/incline/decline) and flys, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done.

Not that it's going to change anything body composition wise on me, but I'm too stubborn/stupid to accept that

[TTT]

Looking at that pic of Arnie, his lower back (will, the whole thing really) is doing exactly what I though you weren't supposed to do

Not everyone is text book.

depends on your body and flexibility.

example.

this is NOT how you should deadlift (in general)

but the man deadlifts over 400kg

Some people are stronger in a certain position than others.

if Arnie can/could squat more with his upper back rounded and kind of rolling forward, then that suits him.

most of us mortals should look at doing it with good form to prevent injury

back injuries suck

take my word for it.

[TTT]

Everyone post their chest workouts. Mine is years overdue for a change, only problem is apart from bench (flat/incline/decline) and flys, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done.

Not that it's going to change anything body composition wise on me, but I'm too stubborn/stupid to accept that

Dezz - I tried smolov jr for 3 weeks.

google it.

[Trozzle]

back injuries suck

take my word for it.

I crushed my T3 vertebra just over a year ago and did nothing at all about it except go straight back to the gym. Preaching to the converted here bro

[NickR33]

Everyone post their chest workouts. Mine is years overdue for a change, only problem is apart from bench (flat/incline/decline) and flys, there isn't a whole lot more that can be done.

I find that pressing doesn't really hit my chest at all... I get much better chest involvement when I'm moving weight across my body... so flyes and 'power flyes'... that said the best chest pump I have ever experienced is from doing the below exercise with cables rather than free weights... not sure why, maybe the constant tension? I find if you focus on bringing your hands together at the end, really flexing your chest and holding it for a second it works really well