Gym And Supplement Discussion

[NickR33]

One last thing.

People go to PT's because they are stupid. They want to look good etc etc.

I agree with most things you say but sometimes your way off the mark

My old man is a PT and specialises in older people (50+) who are trying to increase their health by improving their fitness/strength... some have health issues that they're brave enough to tackle with hard work not just prescriptions... not everyone employs a PT because they want to look good at the beach... that's just a little narrow minded

[NickR33]

If you want to be a PT start to think about a niche for yourself... something to set you apart from the 100's of others... then gear your education/experience towards that... if it were me I'd try and get some experience in a gym working with athletes... it seems that strenght and conditioning for professional athletes is a decent career but most likely will involve more study and more experience than your average PT... something to work towards perhaps

[Manuel Kasko]

This wasnt going to be until next year as I stated because I wanted to make sure I wasnt that scrawn bag trying to give people tips.

The course also goes for a full year so this is plenty of time to get experience on the gym floor just doing normal duties.

TTT are you a personal trainer or been one? or is that just from your own thoughts or friends experiences

[Birds]

lol.... just like that.. career change.

I hope you don't expect to make a decent living being a PT.

talk to an actual PT and see what they get paid, and what their costs are, and what they have to deal with.

I'm not talking about the fatties that want to chat and walk on a treadmill on gradient 2 and speed 4.5km/h... or the fatties that say I want to tone up my butt a little.. but also the other side of the business.. the fact that you will no doubt be working in a gym who will pay you fark all.

or if you were smart enough to make it your own business and manage to get your own clients, then using a gym with them for your business means you have to pay the gym

have to have your own insurance so fatties who get a rash on the upper inner thighs due to the seat on the stationairy bike being made for regular size arses, decides to sue you.

One last thing.

People go to PT's because they are stupid. They want to look good etc etc.

Go stand in front of a mirror in just your jocks.

Do you like what you see... be honest.

Because the type of retards that need/want PT will judge you on how you look.

you know.. you are what you preach etc etc.

If you are just a skinny douche with shaved arms and legs like 90% of them are, you won't get work.

or you'll get your small share of fatties that you can put on a bosu ball with 3kg DB's to do OH presses between 15 minute chats about Big Brother.

This. lol'd @ shaved arms and legs, so true. But I do agree with Nick, some people use decent personal trainers to keep form in check or as coaches. I've never felt the need for one personally, and my own rule is that if I don't have the discipline to get in there and do it myself, I shouldn't bother in the first place.

The profession has become so watered down over the years; you don't even need to have picked up a dumbell in your life to be qualified as one (that would be discrimination). To give you an idea, I'm fairly slim and out of the 8-9 personal trainers at my gym only 1 is stronger or bigger than me (he's a 7ft monster though)...it's a joke. It's like a doctor who smokes in front of you or a car detailer with a rust bucket.

Best is when I see the people doing their certificates come in for a field day and the whole group is fat or skinny wtf...are they doin PT to train clients or themselves? Sometimes I think they are dissatisfied with their own results and want to see if they can do it better as someone else lol.

[TTT]

TTT are you a personal trainer or been one? or is that just from your own thoughts or friends experiences

Nah.. I'm just an internet know-it-all.

It's just my opinion based on what I've seen and experienced.

Nick - your dad is the minority and you know it.

I work in Brisbane city.

The place is flooded with fitness first, zest, good life, jetts and other $2 dollar shop style gyms.

and I see the PTs out during lunch getting their subway rolls and orange juice (you know.... healthy).

Every single one of them is solarium tanned, shaved down, and shiny, and about 70kg.

there are the odd juiced up ones I see too.

Overheard one of them talking to a potential client..."...yeah I work from 6am to about 8pm to be flexible for my clients.. it also gives me plenty of time to train myself"

Fark that!!!

I also see all these qualified PT's in their polyester polo shirts with the collar up and company log on it wearing the latest Nikes in fluro yellow handing out fliers for their gym or free PT session or flapping a poster about the gym.

Sounds like fun.

They are NOT taught any strength training principles in their courses.

Their job is to make the customer feel good about themselves and write their workout for them.

As Nick pointed out, there are exceptions to my opinion but it's rare.

More common to see them teaching people to half squat or something on a Fit ball.

Always with the f**king fit ball.

[Birds]

Hahahahahaha

With the usual trainer/client combination you could shift the weight from one to another and make two average sized people from it.

That one big trainer at my gym actually has his clients doing bench and deads and squats, no surprises that he's the biggest trainer...but it's narrowed his knowledge to the point where he has fat old ladies doing deadlifts instead of working of the fat that's preventing them from doing the exercise properly.

[Dani Boi]

lmao, I always look forward to reading TTT's posts.

[TM7GTR]

Oh man so much to cover.

Kasko, previous education doesn't matter (ATAR scores and whatnot) but it does help if you take a real interest right now in doing some study on anatomy and nutrition. That said, you spend a whole semester on anatomy and nutrition ---> these are covered in cert iii.

Just to clear things up, Cert iii is compulsory if you want to do Cert iv. There's no picking and choosing. Cert iii is to become a qualified gym instructor (you can do gym-floor work, run group exercise classes) whereas Cert iv is to become a qualified personal trainer (you can build a client base, etc.). From memory Cert iii is only around $800, and Cert iv is $1300. Pretty cheap considering any University course can roll into multiple thousands and even the AIF course (8 week course for both Cert iii & iv) sets you back a lot more for less knowledge lol.

Yes, CIT qualifications will land you a job far easier than an AIF qualification. A large majority of AIF trainers are the ones that TTT is referring to that don't practice what they preach, and are just in it because they didn't know what else to do. A lot of the people doing the course with me at CIT though are quite the opposite. We adopt the fitness industry into our lifestyles, not just our income.

Now not trying to stir anything up TTT, but your comment about "don't expect to make a decent living being a PT" is pretty far off the mark depending on how you approach it.

It depends on how many hours you want to work... Many CIT qualified trainers can and regularly do charge around the 70-80$ mark per hour session, and if you go on to do your Diploma in Fitness through CIT as well (another half a year), you easily command fees of 100-120$ per hour working with special pops/rehab clients.

I don't know about the situation up there in Brisbane, but down here in Canberra people fork out tons of cash on PT's.

Simply put, depending on the amount of hours you want to work, it isn't unheard of nor rare to be making a salary of $100,000 after tax ---> subtract living costs of $20,000, you're getting $80,000 a year. For someone that is 19 years old like myself, I will be on a salary of $50,000 bare minimum as soon as my course is completed.

Yes, your body is your business image, but you don't have to be the biggest guy around to make big money. Not everyone is trying to get huge or strong, so that's a very narrow minded approach from anyone who claims that.

Kasko, you say you're on $21 per hour? How many hours per week do you work? I guarantee if you set your mind to it you'll make a lot more than you currently are.

Lastly, has anyone actually considered the Group Fitness side of things?

Running circuit classes and boot camps isn't hard, and most people will charge around 15-20$ per person (this amount of money is running classes for public servants at lunch for example). You get 10 people, you've just made $150-200 for around 45 mins work, and this is on the lower end of the scale. Do a couple of these per week along with training your clients and it all adds up.

[TM7GTR]

Overheard one of them talking to a potential client..."...yeah I work from 6am to about 8pm to be flexible for my clients.. it also gives me plenty of time to train myself"

Fark that!!!

They are NOT taught any strength training principles in their courses.

Their job is to make the customer feel good about themselves and write their workout for them.

As Nick pointed out, there are exceptions to my opinion but it's rare.

More common to see them teaching people to half squat or something on a Fit ball.

Always with the f**king fit ball.

Peak Times:

6.00am - 10.30am

4.30pm - 8pm

The same as any other 9-5 job with a long break in the middle to do whatever you want

Lol I'm sorry but Brisbane and Canberra must be so different in terms of courses... We're doing Strength & Conditioning at the moment, focussing on Olympic Lifts. If we can't do them properly ourselves, we don't pass that unit.

Squatting with a fit ball on your back up against a wall is a great way to learn how you should sink back into the squat while keeping your upper body upright. The average clients these days haven't even done barbell squats before so the fit ball is the best way to lead into barbell squats (not to mention some people just may not want to do squats). Not sure what your point is here

That one big trainer at my gym actually has his clients doing bench and deads and squats, no surprises that he's the biggest trainer...but it's narrowed his knowledge to the point where he has fat old ladies doing deadlifts instead of working of the fat that's preventing them from doing the exercise properly.

This.

[NickR33]

Nick - your dad is the minority and you know it.

TBH I don't work out at those gyms so I really don't know what the norm is... the PT's are pretty good at my gym... although the bosu does make an appearance every now and then lol

we have a powerlifter helping people with technique at the moment, which is great... many people are intimidated to try some of the harder movemets so its good that he's there to improve confidence... however we disagree on a couple of small points... for one, if I was to wait as long between sets as he likes it would take me three hours to train... and I'm sorry but I'm not squatting heavy once every ten days... if a I did that I'd still be a fat bastard

everyone's bodies are different though

[TTT]

lets say you charged $90 per hour (middle ground of the ranges you mentioned).

How much do you have to pay the gym to use their stuff?

How many clients do you get per day or per week?

It's not like a 9-5 office job at all because wether you go on a lunch or meetings or Gym and Supps thread for 5 hours a day, you will get paid your 8 hours worth.

as a PT, if you work for a gym, you get paid a salary of whatever. then I can't remember if they give you any extra for doing PT.

If you have your own business, how many full hour sessions do you think you will get?

You really need to know marketing more than PT to make a decent living in that job.

How much does personal insurance cost?

Weekly body wax?

Advertising?

Bright shoes?

I guess you can claim some back on tax.

if you do a group class out in a park - gotta get permits and shit from council.

In the end, just like you would as an apprentice in a trade, you will spend the first few years of your PT job doing shit kicker work for a gym or dealing with people you wouldn't want to.

If you can stick to it, and know how to find and keep clients, you'll do well.

But it's ALOT of hard work.

[TM7GTR]

It's all very dependant on whether you work for yourself or for a gym as they're obviously two very different roads.

The number of clients you get per day or per week is entirely up to how you conduct yourself and sell your service (you decide). If you work for a gym then yes you do get an extra % of your PT sessions on top of your base salary.

Personal insurance under my level of fitness qualifications varies depending on who you apply through, but I've been quoted something around the $200 per year mark from memory, and yes I'm aware of extra costs when running group classes.

This is what I'm talking about with the whole "adopting the lifestyle" comment. If you don't do some serious research into marketing and business plans then no, no you won't make a decent living.

Personally, I've been studying marketing and business for the past couple months, and I'm going to continue to broaden my knowledge in the field.

Already planning on developing a partnership with the owner of a supplement company, a successful private PT (bringing his client base with him), and a massage therapist has shown interest as well.

Loads of hard work and time is sure to follow before anything really kicks off.

[Manuel Kasko]

Seriously TTT I couldn't really give a fark what you think because if all your knowledge of the business is from observing people grabbing their lunch in bright shoes etc then you don't know anything about it.

I might listen to you if you actually had first hand experience in the industry or had a friend doing it.

Clearly your one of those people that go out and think all Arabs are terrorists and stupid crap like that. There are plenty of successful PT's out there and from the first hand experiences that my neighbour has had he thinks I can succeed and has explained plenty to do with the wages as he runs his own gym in the city of Canberra.

For the sake of 1 year and a few grand it's a learning curve and if it's not for me I move on. Being only 22 I can make mistakes and move past it.

Anything will be better then my current position. Shit even busking on the street looks better

Tom cheers for the info and I will probably hit you up soon for some more about the courses

[Manuel Kasko]

I might add as well his not a fat kunt

Or a skinny person.

Also doesn't look like he shaves his legs and prance around in bright shoes/tight shirts with popped collars.

So don't stereotype people.

[-FIGJAM-]

you mean to tell me all Arabs arent terrorist?

there is a meme there somewhere

[Manuel Kasko]

Just trying to get across just because you see a lot of people out there who don't put in the effort as PT's doesn't mean I won't and Tom won't succeed.

Anything is possible if you put your mind to it and in nearly every job I have had I have made it to the top very quickly through determination and a willingness to learn

[Dani Boi]

When you make it to the top you should be earning more than $21 an hour I would think.

[Manuel Kasko]

When you make it to the top you should be earning more than $21 an hour I would think.

My current job does not count.

The boss is a pig who doesn't pay the correct wages or even pay my super.

Never pays for over time etc.

[TM7GTR]

Lol for what it's worth I wear grey and yellow Nike shoes because I like them. On the other hand I don't shave my entire body nor do I tan. Handing out fliers isn't necessarily a bad way of advertising a group class either.

Can't say I'm 70kg, but I guess I'm your stereotypical PT due to my shoes and marketing..

[Husky33]

Simply put, depending on the amount of hours you want to work, it isn't unheard of nor rare to be making a salary of $100,000 after tax ---> subtract living costs of $20,000, you're getting $80,000 a year. For someone that is 19 years old like myself, I will be on a salary of $50,000 bare minimum as soon as my course is completed

HAH!

Sorry mate, but when your making 100g's after tax I will come give you a bj no charge.

And this is from someone who was in the industry for a long enough.

All these people who run courses giving you their figures, 100 and hour by 10 hours ...wow $1000.

What they don't tell you is everything else. Go find 10 people who will pay $100 an hour. Nor your mates mate, or his mate, but you.

Then rent, equipment. People not showing up. The 2 hour period in the morning and 2 hour period at night when you can actually get consistent clients.

Then competing with every other joe in the gym to get clients. No sick leave, no accrued leave. Christmas time off....thats coming straight out of your pocket....and guess what, all your clients will be away....tough one.

Or you can start your own business. GL on that one

You can make alright money, but you have to work hard. Unless you get on biggest loser as a trainer you aint gonna be rolling in wads of cash mate.

Where do you think the biggest money in personal training is? It's companies that run cert 3 and 4 in fitness.

All they have to say is you'll make a lot of money and boom.....people hand over their cash.

You think they are going to tell you anything else??

Like I said, it can be a good job, but don't be deceived. It's hard, you have to be on your game 100% of the time, you need to have

your admin squared away, a good business model....and finally you have to not only be a good trainer but love what you do.

Who know, you could be one of the few that make over 50g a year