Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Vera]

Can someone help me bust some bro-science; friend of mine claimed that lifting heavy weights shortened tendons, I said I couldn't believe and wanted to see where he got this idea from, then he claims that heavy lifting and not stretching shortens tendons. I've heard so much crap this week

[Birds]

Shortens tendons in what way? Did he actually have a decent argument against lifting heavy weights or was this his excuse not to?

[Vera]

he just said shorten, makes no sense. That means the muscle would have to lengthen. No argument for it at all which is why when I challenged it he claimed it occurred in the absence of stretching. Maybe he could be right - but it sounds ridiculous and I've heard enough to start asking questions on here.

Maybe a broscience thread would be handy...

[Birds]

Even if there's truth to it, which I doubt there is, what exactly is he afraid of happening? Tendons shrinking into nothingness and inability to move limbs? It sounds to me like he's a squat dodger and this is his way of justifying it. People will often crap on about how dangerous heavy lifting is and *insert excuse here not to do it*...it's their way of dealing with their inability to develop strength or their jealousy of others.

[NickR33]

bullshit... provided you lift with full ROM you'll be fine

I hate stretching preachers... usually vegetarians who scoff when you tell them you don't do yoga... what the fck has being flexible ever done... it's not going to save my life

'I got mugged by this crackhead last night... he tried to stab me but I was able to get into downward dog pose and escape'

strong people are more useful and harder to kill... I read that somewhere

[Vera]

Hahaha yes I've also read it, massive truth behind it though.

I do quite a bit in the way of stretching, I used to be pretty bad but now im really flexible. I think its beneficial but no useful applications for me.

He's not really avoiding lifting heavy (not when I'm around) and it was kinda mentioned randomly which added to the 'wtf factor'

[Brotato]

cardio getting better

[Mitcho_7]

Can someone help me bust some bro-science; friend of mine claimed that lifting heavy weights shortened tendons, I said I couldn't believe and wanted to see where he got this idea from, then he claims that heavy lifting and not stretching shortens tendons. I've heard so much crap this week

Cocaine is a hell of a drug...

[No Crust Racing]

I'll wade into this.

Shorten tendons? TROLOL. Shorten ROM I'd agree with. I've seen plenty of people lifting heavy shorten the ROM to get sets/reps in because they just care about the numbers, nobody ever won gold for having a better ROM than the next guy so long as it meets minimum requirements.

That said, for me, stretching (warm up AND warm down) make s a monumental difference because I sit all day. Both the Myo and the Physio said there was no need to stop lifting with my back twinge because it was simple compensatory and due to misalignment of things, poor ROM in certain areas etc. This ios largely being fixed by massage and stretching.

So when people say I should do yoga or some shit like that, they are probably right. I can't remember which fast bowler it was (McGrath or Lee) who had recurring issues (think it was Lee) and spent the entire off season focusing on mad stretching and came back better/faster/stronger without the issues.

I'm very pro stretching these days because every soft tissue strain I've had has largely been fixed by improving ROM through stretching, but as for your tendons literally being shortened? No.

That aside.

I can get this rack, plus a bench to go in it for about $550 delivered. The problem is the guy can't tell me the width between the dip handles and they're not adjustable. Not sure if I should risk it or not, there are other racks, and on that is $100 cheaper but I can't get them here for less than about $200 bucks so it works out more expensive.

Rack

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=171007504897&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123#ht_5901wt_906

Bench

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/170917826387?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D170917826387%26_rdc%3D1#ht_6059wt_910

[TTT]

any width dip handles > bath tub

[No Crust Racing]

Dude it's a spa, get with it

MY question is more so to do with whether or not there's an issue with the grips being too wide.

Do you wind up with extra strain in areas you don't want etc.

I hit the gym with a mate once and just jumped on a proper dipping station and went at it and it was fine but maybe that was just a good width for me.

[Mitcho_7]

You will use more chest with the wider handles.

Dips are pretty tough on your anterior shoulder capsule and I find it better with my handles about 21-22" apart, but its a personal thing.

[TTT]

I find dips at any width is better than doing lady dips on the edge of a lady spa with 2kg in the pocket of my lady pants.

[Mitcho_7]

I have this rack but without the pulley stuff:

http://www.gymdirect.com.au/item/MMPRWHLPS--Power-Rack-with-High-Low-Pulley/499.htm

and this bench:

http://www.gymdirect.com.au/item/ASFID-Super-FID-Bench/467.htm

what sort of barbell have you got? most power racks are going to require you to use a full width olympic bar so theres enough space between the collars...

[Birds]

Just do the farkin dips; do you think Arnie said oh noes not 21" bars...I can't dip to this.

Dipshits

[TTT]

lol.. injuries maketh the anger.

[No Crust Racing]

I find dips at any width is better than doing lady dips on the edge of a lady spa with 2kg in the pocket of my lady pants.

I'll have you know it's now 5kg AND my feet are up on a box to make it harder thank you very much

I have this rack but without the pulley stuff:

http://www.gymdirect.com.au/item/MMPRWHLPS--Power-Rack-with-High-Low-Pulley/499.htm

and this bench:

http://www.gymdirect.com.au/item/ASFID-Super-FID-Bench/467.htm

what sort of barbell have you got? most power racks are going to require you to use a full width olympic bar so theres enough space between the collars...

Decent looking stuff. I did think about the bar, it's a random bar I got ages back, weighs about 10kg I think, honestly not sure of width. If I need a new one I'll get one. It'd have to be as tall as me though so at least 6ft long.

Just do the farkin dips; do you think Arnie said oh noes not 21" bars...I can't dip to this.

Dipshits

LOL Just covering my bases given how my shoulder reacted to OHP of only 45 or so kg. It's either weak or I was doing something wrong so want to make sure I'm not about to be stuck with a bit of gear that locks me into a poor form.

Edited April 12, 2013 by ActionDan

[Mitcho_7]

Decent looking stuff. I did think about the bar, it's a random bar I got ages back, weighs about 10kg I think, honestly not sure of width. If I need a new one I'll get one. It'd have to be as tall as me though so at least 6ft

I can almost garuntee that if its only 6ft it will not be 1320mm between the collars

[No Crust Racing]

Yeah no drama, if that's the case I'll buy a new bar.

Can't imagine they're too expensive, although it could be an issue if the longer bars are thicker and thus my plates don't fit.

[Mitcho_7]

Just do the farkin dips; do you think Arnie said oh noes not 21" bars...I can't dip to this.

Dipshits

So much anger...