Gym And Supplement Discussion

[TTT]

  JAS-25T said:

It's easy.

You're just a shit carnt Tolga

I'll stab you carnt!

[JAS-25T]

  GTST said:

I'll stab you carnt!

should have got a 1.5

Wouldn't have so much roid rage then

[TTT]

lol... the RS Wagon is fine.

although... there is a black 98 series 2 for sale for $9.8K...

hmmmmm

[25GTT]

Hmmm some interesting conversations going on here.

Any of you guys work in the gyms? If so any of you going Filex this year?

Went last year which was good work pays for me which is always nice, going through some of the latest things in the industry and seeing the massive tradeshow was fantastic!

Very cheap supplements to!

[LTHLRB]

i dont do any of the above... and how do you think you put on size? slow the motabolism down.. how do you burn fat? speed the motabolism up. How do you think i put on my size and dropped my fat?

did i say that the 65kg kid shud ONLY so leg extentions? its common sense to do leg press, squats, hack squats etc. i just didnt fill all that in.

And yes i am serious about the 6 second thing.. i braught the inner quads up by doing that for a while. not doing that heavy either.

[TTT]

I give up.

I can't be farked debating this with someone who can't even spell metabolism even after I corrected them.

or someone who thinks FOOD slows metabolism down.

pics of your legs so we can see how you "braught" up the inner quad?

[LTHLRB]

legs are shithouse right now, i dont have shots of how they looked before i started legs properly.. minor difference but there is a difference.

will show pics of how legs and everything else looks at the end of the year

i really cant be bothered debating anything with you either. You seem to think your right... so yeah ill hand you the win on this one

[rev210]

Geez you guys!

GTST , LTHLRB both the systems have merit.

GTST, you are right about the philosophy of a 'challenging lift' . But, to clarify the goal is to make the movement difficult for the muscles. So it's actually good to get the most out of the weight before upping it. If we are really chasing muscle development then this is the key aim of the movement.

The muscles don't know what they are lifting whether it's a bag of potatoes or a barbell if the forces and work done is the same. It's possible to replicate the work and forces of much heavier weights by changing speed/ accelleration and angle. So for some excersises additional weight can be replaced in this way.

LTHLRB, you are right about doing pretty much any and every program out there and getting bigger. The thing is that most of what people do in the gym given genetics, diet and rest factors is not really efficient and lots of it that seek to emulate pro bodybuilders programs is just overtraining. You still get results though and the burn that gets endophins going will help keep you going to the Gym to get that 'fix'. Whats really working is that muscles are being subjected to increasing forces and work and made to grow.

Getting the most out of the lifted weight is easy, people can tell/show you how. Getting the most out of how long and how often you do this from your diet, genetics and lifestyle requires you get a notepad out and start taking some data down.

As long as you are happy with what you do then doing anything healthy for you is a good deal, I don't want to upset a perfectly good fitness applecart.

So in terms of making the 'weight count', my program ,'for me', sounds like this;

I have been doing about 1 minute or less of total lifting a month on average. Compound excersises. 1 or two sets and go home.

I've put on 10kg of muscle (9 months) doing it with pretty much an average joes diet , complete with beer

I have 18 inch arms cold, mostly triceps of course and have done no bicep curls of any kind. A tiny bit of tricep work a few months back as part of a compund movement. I am not keen to see them get bigger as I have already thrown out shirts I can't fit my arms in and going shopping is now a pain.

My body has great proportion to boot.

Now these results for a minute a month sort of speak to the idea that it isn't the weight your lifting or how long in the gym you spend but, how well you train when you are there. And ,that like a good farmer, you take time to actually grow some muscles with some food and good weather.

[brothersrice]

You can go for creatine. Have you tried it?

http://www.brothersrice.com.au

[Birds]

Sir I believe you are mistaking fat for muscle.

[rev210]

  Birds said:

Sir I believe you are mistaking fat for muscle.

Nope. I haven't expanded waist size (thats where fat is stored on me) ,if anything dropped a notch or two on the belt. Granted I meant to say 10kg overall weight gain as opposed to pure muscle but, worse casing it thats still about 8kg lean gain.

Not going to increase lifts by utilising the power of fat either. I'm a hell of alot stronger on my lifts than when I started across the board.

[25GTT]

After reading all this there are hundreds of arguments for and against each way of training that you are mentioning.... strange but true i swear i read something crazy similar to what rev is going on about.... dont mean i agree with it and not sure how good it is but still proves the point that there was an argument for minimal reps and no doubt some against it.

Magazine after magazine will state one thing one week then the following week so how bad it is or what a waste of time it is.

In my 11 years + of training my recommendation is not so much on program etc, but more as to what you/ the client will be comfortable with and create a habitual process with.

Providing calories out>calories in then happy days (unless bulking up of course but then i would still be careful on calories etc)

I would love to point out faults with everything but to be honest i cant, because like we see here there are arguments by predominant people in the industry that back up all kinds of strange stuff.

to sum up my training regime, go hard, go heavy eat protein, this theory worked 50 years ago and still works today. Want to bulk up mix in some compound movements, want athletic abilities mix in plymetrics and explosive techniques.

This is a BASIC form for MY training, not everyone elses, it works for me for over 11 years and i still recon i am in pretty good nick for a 30 year old so it cant be too wrong.

Part of my job is I get to see elite athletes training daily and see some new movements coming through, Perth Rugby team Western Force lift some serious stuff and Mitchell Johnson is pretty good when he is not fast bowling for Oz but i will leave it at that.

[GHOSTrun]

  25GTT said:

After reading all this there are hundreds of arguments for and against each way of training that you are mentioning.... strange but true i swear i read something crazy similar to what rev is going on about.... dont mean i agree with it and not sure how good it is but still proves the point that there was an argument for minimal reps and no doubt some against it.

Magazine after magazine will state one thing one week then the following week so how bad it is or what a waste of time it is.

In my 11 years + of training my recommendation is not so much on program etc, but more as to what you/ the client will be comfortable with and create a habitual process with.

Providing calories out>calories in then happy days (unless bulking up of course but then i would still be careful on calories etc)

I would love to point out faults with everything but to be honest i cant, because like we see here there are arguments by predominant people in the industry that back up all kinds of strange stuff.

to sum up my training regime, go hard, go heavy eat protein, this theory worked 50 years ago and still works today. Want to bulk up mix in some compound movements, want athletic abilities mix in plymetrics and explosive techniques.

This is a BASIC form for MY training, not everyone elses, it works for me for over 11 years and i still recon i am in pretty good nick for a 30 year old so it cant be too wrong.

Part of my job is I get to see elite athletes training daily and see some new movements coming through, Perth Rugby team Western Force lift some serious stuff and Mitchell Johnson is pretty good when he is not fast bowling for Oz but i will leave it at that.

wow, 11 years training...can you post a photo of what you look like, and how much you lift? Will it fit in one post??

[TTT]

All I'm saying is that I'm right, and you knobs are wrong.

why is that so hard for you idiots to understand?

lol.

rev - it shouldn't take you long to type up this 1 minute movement.

what is the "secret" of getting huge and ripped at the same time all with only 1 minute of training per month?

where should I send my money?

I've thrown it at your userid on the screen but it didn't go through.

How do I buy this secret?

[TTT]

  brothersrice said:

You can go for creatine. Have you tried it?

http://www.brothersrice.com.au

f**k OFF CARNT!

[25GTT]

Ghost Run,

yeah i have a pic at the last car show my old car was in before i sold her, will find the pic, not really a good one at all prett sh*t actuallly. I do have a couple of pics that shows definition etc but to be honest am not all that comfortable whackin em up :-) But the car show one aint bad but its 4 years old.

To be honest mate, I am not MASSIVE I am not RIPPED, but i feel like i am in good enough nick for a 30 year old. I weigh and fluctuate between 94 - 96 kilos (trying to cut down to 90 though before my honeymoon to the US)

Bench 120 MAX 6 reps, Squat 120 MAX 6 reps, shoulder press 30 kilo dumbells - 10 reps, the usual curls etc etc.

I have managed gymnasiums and PT teams, throughout my time i have seen people come and go.....ehehehe.... funny story.... REV210 you will prob remember me from when i was managing Zest Osborne Park that time and i showed you around small world huh! but the biggest thing for me that i have learnt is as mentioned some of the programs i see written physically and mentally 'abuse' people. Some of the programs cannot be sustained over long periods, so whilst you hammer for 3 months and get the results, i then see you in the gym 4 months later because once you got your results you needed to rest because you were exhausted, of course now having that time off you need to start over again.

Again, im not trying to say which program is right or wrong, techiques and research is changing all the time and counter arguing previous universities/doctors/studies/trainers ideas.

So the one thing that remains consistent in achieving a decent program is the ability to form a habitual process, no, that doesnt mean do the same movements repeatadly, i mean give the client variety and mental stimluation as well as physical.

[Flynnn]

GTST

post up a pic you drop kick

Edited January 6, 2010 by Barbarian

[rev210]

  25GTT said:

.... funny story.... REV210 you will prob remember me from when i was managing Zest Osborne Park that time and i showed you around small world huh!

Sure do mate. At the time I was looking for a new gym to train in for the legs , was trying to ping some business your way like a bunch of the WA SAUers as I think you were just starting there as manager. The problem was the leg facilities at Osb Park were too dinky at the time for the weights I was lifting. I ended up going to Selby's in hector street.

Good to hear you are still around and enjoying the work buddy

[rev210]

  25GTT said:

.... funny story.... REV210 you will prob remember me from when i was managing Zest Osborne Park that time and i showed you around small world huh!

oops double post.

Edited January 6, 2010 by rev210

[rev210]

  GTST said:

All I'm saying is that I'm right, and you knobs are wrong.

why is that so hard for you idiots to understand?

lol.

rev - it shouldn't take you long to type up this 1 minute movement.

what is the "secret" of getting huge and ripped at the same time all with only 1 minute of training per month?

where should I send my money?

I've thrown it at your userid on the screen but it didn't go through.

How do I buy this secret?

Ha ha.. Theres no for sale signs here dude Happy to pass on what I am doing for free. You can pay me some gratitude money if it works for you

PM me for a chat about it in detail.

Getting 'ripped' doesn't happen with the program I use sadly, just bigger and stronger. There is no substitute for 'work your ass off' HIT / cardio for that one

My average was about 1 minute of lifts but, some training months you might do a few minutes of lifts in total and it doesn't include stretching which admitedly takes longer than the workout. My break months were really because my life gets in the way but, you don't go backwards because of them.

There's a variety of movements I use in cycles including explosive/plyometric but,this training week its;

Monday (just gone)

* 1 - 3 reps of dumbel One arm rows (at present 92kg dumbel)

* 5 reps of parrallel body pullups (like a wide grib row) with plates on the chest. This one is not a usual excesise people recognise, You are grasping a bar on a rack set up low to the ground (bar in line with the bench you use at your feet) with a bench style grip, your feet are up on a say a bench. The body and core are held ridgid like a board as you pull up on the bar to the chest.

* Go home eat ,rest.

8 seconds or so. The core, back, rear shoulders, biceps, forarms and grip are all trained. I have a plan for weight increase each training cycle and if I do not meet the goal I evaluate the elements of rest period, weight increase (might have been too abitious) and diet/lifestyle over the rest period and re-plan for the next lift.

Wed (today)

* 10 + 8 reps Straight leg deads-- warm up no weight then loaded bar .Only just starting legs again so will be fairly light ,plan 100kg ( the stretching alone will hurt me tomorrow)

* 5 reps leg press

* Go home

Friday

* 7 second hold Static Flat Bench press. 220kg. I usually locate the bar rack low enough that I can press it off myself as I don't use spotters at all.

* go home

I may skip days or alter them if I feel the body will benifit from total rest. After spending time measuring and noting my body's responses I am getting better at predicting what rest I will need. Muscle sorness is not a good measure. Scientifically, you can have overtraining issues and not feel sore at all or feel sore and not have trained optimally.

Ultimately, performance of the muscle (abillity to lift more/same/less) will tell you if it's gotten bigger , recovered or injured. You just need to ask yourself why, learn from it and then make some changes if required to improve.

Edited January 6, 2010 by rev210