Gym And Supplement Discussion

[TTT]

so how do you start out when you're obese and unmotivated?

look at the mirror and realise how disgusting you look.

[bozodos]

haha oh some big girls are picky like that...

do you mean goals as in a weight or measurement type thing?

[TTT]

anything man..

it's up to you.

but you have to set some sort of goal.

something to aim for.

be it pants size, waist measurement, amount lifted, time taken to do something..

anything.

set short term goals.

work out what you need to do to reach that goal

then do it.

[GTR-32U]

no..

he should use Chalk.

not straps.

Straps will not help his grip strength.

if you don't get stronger as you get bigger, and you introduce weakensses by using straps, you will end up injured or gay with aids.

so in summary - straps = Gaidz!

I have never used chalk before so you may be the guy to ask about it..Will it prevent callouses from forming ? My problem is that the callous rolls into a ball in between the bar and my hands and hurts like Fk..Thats why I use straps for Deadlifts..I am interested in trying the chalk out if it will help

[RBwhatever]

I have never used chalk before so you may be the guy to ask about it..Will it prevent callouses from forming ? My problem is that the callous rolls into a ball in between the bar and my hands and hurts like Fk..Thats why I use straps for Deadlifts..I am interested in trying the chalk out if it will help

Maybe you'd be better off just using gloves. I find gloves help prevent the callouses from rolling like you say. I only use them for some exercises where it gets too uncomfortable on the hands, otherwise I don't use them.

Straps take the weight off your hands, you need to grip the bars as hard as you can at all times. Do them same with all exercises involving gripping, it helps forearm strength.

I've used chalk in gymnastics on the bars etc, but it helped me to slip when swinging, it did help grip too if you squeeze hard enough. These bars were timber though mind you. If I didn't chalk it'd grip waaay to much.

Chalk on the metal bars might have a different effect, I've never tried it tbh.

Edited January 19, 2010 by RBwhatever

[R31Nismoid]

so how do you start out when you're obese and unmotivated?

anything man..

it's up to you.

but you have to set some sort of goal.

something to aim for.

be it pants size, waist measurement, amount lifted, time taken to do something..

anything.

set short term goals.

work out what you need to do to reach that goal

then do it.

I agree - but disagree same time.

You really need a long term goal. Trying to drop 5KG's in 5 weeks wont happen.

Just try to have a good diet and a 45min walk each day, 6 days a week, allowing for one day off if you need it. If not, then no worries.

Offer to take a friends dog for a walk, or instead of driving somewhere, park the car further away and walk.

Small subtle changes IMO can be better for those whom are a bit lazier/harder to motivate.

Even rope a friend into coming along...

But overall small steps. Don't think you'll change in 2 months - you'll probably need to aim for something closer to 6 months.

Someone that is dedicated, in the gym etc etc can probably drop 0.5-1KG/week but realistically if you are lazier, that ain't gonna happen

1KG/3 weeks or something maybe could be a short term goal, but keep focus the overall is 4KGs in 12 weeks and similar.

Even make motivational style words/notes around your bedroom so each time you open the cupboard you read something like "Eat healthy today, wake up better tomorrow"

Just outright hitting the weights isn't for everyone, its about a deep cultural/behavioural change.

[TTT]

I have never used chalk before so you may be the guy to ask about it..Will it prevent callouses from forming ? My problem is that the callous rolls into a ball in between the bar and my hands and hurts like Fk..Thats why I use straps for Deadlifts..I am interested in trying the chalk out if it will help

No..

you'll still get callouses.

chalk just prevents slipping.

[Birds]

haha oh some big girls are picky like that...

do you mean goals as in a weight or measurement type thing?

I meant anything. Quantifiable goal, a qualitative goal...a combination of the two, anything. Everyone has different goals...and they change all the time anyway so there's no point carving the goal into a plaque on the wall. A year ago I said a lean and muscular 90kg would be a good weight and I'll stop at that...but now that I'm close to that I'm looking in the mirror and thinking that's not enough weight for me. Everyone in this thread will agree I'm sure, that you'll be happy with results you achieve but you'll never ever be 100% satisfied with what you've got...there's always room for improvement once you start looking in the mirror because human beings are perfectionists, we can never be enough of what we want to be. Gym = a drug in every way/shape/form. Weight loss might be different than trying to gain muscle but you're still modifying the body and that gets addictive. So in short, work out a goal, your motivation for making changes...and don't expect these major changes to happen in a short period of time...because that alone is responsible for many people signing up for a gym membership and quitting 3 months later because they don't notice any results. Your body starts changing from the inside first and other people will notice your results before you do. Once you do notice results...that's when you won't need to find motivation and exercise feels like less of a choir because your ego takes over from there.

Try short gloves GTR-32U...they'll flatten your callouses. You'll still have them but they won't inconvenience you. If you work out at a public gym it also helps to keep other peoples sweat/bacteria/grime off your hands too which is always a plus for me.

[bozodos]

I'm not really worried about losing weight, i just want to get stronger!

[Trozzle]

ex-skinny bitch reporting in!

Used to be your typical teenage nerd who did nothing but sit on his ass and eat shitloads, play wow, In The Groove, and listen to metal. This changed when in December 2005 (at the age of 17 and a half) thought it would be a wonderful idea to have a stroke. f**ked my metabolism right up didn't it. Also as a result of the learning to walk again bit, stopped playing soccer (which I had done for 12 years) and pretty much anything else physical, hence started getting the chubs going.

Thankfully I got bored of this, bought myself a downhill bike, and got right back into bodyboarding. Weight is off, but still skinny.

About 3 months ago I started going to the gym for weights (no cardio, get enough of that from riding and ITG) so I could get that little bit bigger, so I was not only a bit more appealing to myself, but to ever so slightly impress mates/ladies. Of course we're not talking huge here, coz a lot of (decent) girls these days are turned off by huge dudes.

Been happy with my results so far, and I'd like to chuck up before/after pics when I get home (assuming I can find a before pic) for some feedback/what areas you think I should work on a little more, otherwise this thread is providing me with some good information and opinions...rather helpful.

Currently I'm taking protein suppliment, 85% protein (can't remember brand etc off hand) and thinking about nitrous oxide/black powder for extra energy, as I still haven't quite beaten the lothargic side of myself yet lol. Any opinions on the black powder business? Didn't think to search this thread btw >.>

Thanks

[Trozzle]

double post

Edited January 20, 2010 by Trozzle

[RBwhatever]

ex-skinny bitch reporting in!

Used to be your typical teenage nerd who did nothing but sit on his ass and eat shitloads, play wow, In The Groove, and listen to metal. This changed when in December 2005 (at the age of 17 and a half) thought it would be a wonderful idea to have a stroke. f**ked my metabolism right up didn't it. Also as a result of the learning to walk again bit, stopped playing soccer (which I had done for 12 years) and pretty much anything else physical, hence started getting the chubs going.

Thankfully I got bored of this, bought myself a downhill bike, and got right back into bodyboarding. Weight is off, but still skinny.

About 3 months ago I started going to the gym for weights (no cardio, get enough of that from riding and ITG) so I could get that little bit bigger, so I was not only a bit more appealing to myself, but to ever so slightly impress mates/ladies. Of course we're not talking huge here, coz a lot of (decent) girls these days are turned off by huge dudes.

Been happy with my results so far, and I'd like to chuck up before/after pics when I get home (assuming I can find a before pic) for some feedback/what areas you think I should work on a little more, otherwise this thread is providing me with some good information and opinions...rather helpful.

Currently I'm taking protein suppliment, 85% protein (can't remember brand etc off hand) and thinking about nitrous oxide/black powder for extra energy, as I still haven't quite beaten the lothargic side of myself yet lol. Any opinions on the black powder business? Didn't think to search this thread btw >.>

Thanks

This is just my opinion, but I'd say take your supplements once you hit your wall. Use them to try and get over that wall and push through to the next level. If you've hit your wall then give it a go.

As mentioned over and over in this thread, supplements are just that, supplements to your current diet. Get your diet right for what you want to achieve and go from there.

As for nitrous, I tried it as an alternative to creatine. It worked great but it would prevent me from sleeping also. So i ditched that bottle to a mate which he didn't have any problems with it when he took it.

[TTT]

I'm not really worried about losing weight, i just want to get stronger!

good.

go here

http://www.ptcfrankston.com/newsletter.html#null

read articles.

do as they say

eat as they suggest

[TTT]

trozzle

what do you weigh?

how tall are you?

List all the food you ate/drank yesterday and the portions.

[Trozzle]

haven't measured myself in years, but I'd say about 165 - 170cm.

Haven't had a chance to weigh myself on an empty stomach/early morning, but was roughly 71kg when I started at the gym, now 76kg, both weighed after my afternoon session, after drinking about 700ml of water.

Working full time in a call centre, my actual food intake does suffer a little during the week. 6am wakeup for a 7am start means I often miss breakfast, unless there happens to be a banana in the fridge when I get a drink before I leave. Otherwise I'll eat my (generally ham or some other form of meat) sandwich at about 9am, then when lunchtime comes and I'm hungry again I'll hit up subway generally for a BMT (with salads of course), avoiding snacks if I can help it, all the way through to a generous dinner served by mum (rofl @ living with parents) which is usually some form of marinated pork lamb or steak on BBQ, with a whole potato and buttloads of greek salad.

I avoid desert too.

Drinks throughout the day while at work are either water (mostly) mocha in the morning, or a can of coke. Never more than one coke or coffee tho.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Trozzle

[TTT]

that diet (apart from the dinner) is terrible mate.

absolutely shocking.

you are going to get nowhere fast.

[Trozzle]

I know although I'm working on fixing it. Just gotta find time for research while I'm home (which is the hard part) coz almost anything I want to get to end up being blocked at work which is massive fail.

Though ironically I've made decent progress as far as building muscle is concerned even with my shitty diet any quick suggestions for change while I work on getting some real research done?

[bozodos]

so basically I should not stop eating, load up a backpack with bricks and start jogging?

interesting read, whoever writes those newsletters must be very passionate (it's not you is it GTST?)

[TTT]

trozzle - eat more. drink lots of full cream milk and when training, do compound movements like squats, bench press, deadlift, over head press

read the link I posted for bozodos above

bozodos - not me.. but all very true, and entertaining reading.

[bozodos]

from what I've read so far, it's best to do really hard excercise for say an hour a day to increase base metabolism whilst modifying diet accordingly?