Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Birds]

Logic!

If you're not resting and fuelling enough to mentally make it through a workout at full intensity, how can you expect your muscles be physically operating at their full intensity and recovering too? A big dose of caffeine might make your mind focus, but it won't fix them too.

Now I haven't tested it, but empirically there's a bit of a correlation between people using pre workouts and low development/progression in the gym...it's usually the bandaid mentality coming through from those who aren't eating and sleeping right to see the development they want. They turn to quick fixes in the first place because unhappy with their training based on adequate food and sleep alone.

The mind is very connected to the body like that, barring glandular issues, it will tell you what it needs and when it needs things. Tired = eat and sleep more. Don't trick it with a dose of caffeine, work with it to fix the underlying issue. Eat more, sleep more.

Once in a while is okay, but routinely taking PWO, you got problems elsewhere.

[L33SH]

Research on pre workouts state that they:

- Enhance buffering of acid build-up from intense exercise

- Reduce exercise induced fatigue by up to 34%

- Increase phosphocreatine recovery by up to 20%

- Enhance ability to fight cortisol

- Enhance mental acuity

- Increase exercise time to exhaustion by 14%

- Improve endurance exercise capacity

[bozodos]

This..

you people are crazy

I'll admit that I only started using a PWO to make up for lack of sleep (that and was curious about the new product from BN)

I don't think I'll end up using it all the time

[Birds]

Research on pre workouts state that they:

- Enhance buffering of acid build-up from intense exercise

- Reduce exercise induced fatigue by up to 34%

- Increase phosphocreatine recovery by up to 20%

- Enhance ability to fight cortisol

- Enhance mental acuity

- Increase exercise time to exhaustion by 14%

- Improve endurance exercise capacity

Link to source of studies? This sounds straight from a supplier. Not that most of those "benefits" aren't negatives when you think about them - half are mental states and the others are healthy bodily functions that are being interfered with. Also, please list the negatives of excessive caffeine and stimulant consumption not listed by suppliers...

Meanwhile, food and rest will do every positive without the negative.

There's a reason many of them get banned and then new ones emerge with new ingredients

[kaitoukid]

Haha agreed; sporadic use might be best. Which works out well, economically. Poor uni student checking in.

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[Birds]

Unfortunately a good diet of food is expensive too, probably moreso than preworkout, but the benefits (short and long) are much better and there are cheap ways about it!

[L33SH]

Link to source of studies? This sounds straight from a supplier. Not that most of those "benefits" aren't negatives when you think about them - half are mental states and the others are healthy bodily functions that are being interfered with. Also, please list the negatives of excessive caffeine and stimulant consumption not listed by suppliers...

Meanwhile, food and rest will do every positive without the negative.

There's a reason many of them get banned and then new ones emerge with new ingredients

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3. De Bock, K., B. O. Eijnde, M. Ramaekers, and P. Hespel. Acute Rhodiola rosea intake can improve endurance exercise performance. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 14:298-307, 2004.
4. Govoni, S., F. Battaini, L. Lucchi, A. Pascale, and M. Trabucchi. PKC translocation in rat brain cortex is promoted in vivo and in vitro by alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine, a cognition-enhancing drug. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 695:307-310, 1993.
5. Monteleone, P., L. Beinat, C. Tanzillo, M. Maj, and D. Kemali. Effects of phosphatidylserine on the neuroendocrine response to physical stress in humans. Neuroendocrinology. 52:243-248, 1990.
6. Singh, B., H. Song, X. D. Liu, M. Hardy, G. Z. Liu, S. P. Vinjamury, and C. D. Martirosian. Dangshen (Codonopsis pilosula) and Bai guo (Gingko biloba) enhance learning and memory. Altern Ther Health Med. 10:52-56, 2004.
7. Stout, J. R., J. T. Cramer, R. F. Zoeller, D. Torok, P. Costa, J. R. Hoffman, and R. C. Harris. Effects of beta-alanine supplementation on the onset of neuromuscular fatigue and ventilatory threshold in women. Amino Acids, 2006.
8. Stout, J. R., J. T. Cramer, R. F. Zoeller, D. Torok, P. Costa, J. R. Hoffman, R. C. Harris, and J. O'Kroy. Effects of beta-alanine supplementation on the onset of neuromuscular fatigue and ventilatory threshold in women. Amino Acids. 32:381-386, 2007.
9. Walesiuk, A., E. Trofimiuk, and J. J. Braszko. Gingko biloba extract diminishes stress-induced memory deficits in rats. Pharmacol Rep. 57:176-187, 2005.
10. Zoeller, R. F., J. R. Stout, A. O'Kroy J, D. J. Torok, and M. Mielke. Effects of 28 days of beta-alanine and creatine monohydrate supplementation on aerobic power, ventilatory and lactate thresholds, and time to exhaustion. Amino Acids, 2006.

[Birds]

I said links not references.

And again, most are mental benefits, few are physical benefits and none that can't be replicated by proper diet and rest, which offer many more benefits that pre workouts can't give, you such as muscle development. Case in point: you can't be eating at a deficit and expect good development, despite powering through your workout with a PWO. Eat at a surplus and rest plentifully, then note the lack of need for a PWO.

[Captain Natro]

I've recently started to take some when I feel the need for a buzz. The feeling of like oh yeah lets pump some iron! Get's you in the mood if you know what I mean

Is there a source on this? Or is it bro-science?

Birds = bro science

Birds science if you will

[L33SH]

I said links not references.

And again, most are mental benefits, few are physical benefits and none that can't be replicated by proper diet and rest, which offer many more benefits that pre workouts can't give, you such as muscle development. Case in point: you can't be eating at a deficit and expect good development, despite powering through your workout with a PWO. Eat at a surplus and rest plentifully, then note the lack of need for a PWO.

I said suck my dick

[Birds]

Your dick is fkin tiny, can't even see it half the time

[L33SH]

Your dick is fkin tiny, can't even see it half the time

ditto

[The Bogan]

LOL, what's wrong with a banana, some oats, a day table spoon of coffee and some protein 1/2 hr before workout.

The young kids at work are all into preworkout stuff, it use to be red bull or mother.

The marketing for supplements is outstanding.

As for the pros and cons, it depends who the researcher or "Dr" is being paid by.

I agree that if you are tired walking into a gym you have bigger issues than what colour drink you need.

[Trozzle]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but this is just stubborn ignorance.

[The Bogan]

In what way?

Explain please, is it my belief that supplement companies could sell ice to Eskimos, or that if you are tired when you walk into a gym there may be something underlying that should be explained.

[kaitoukid]

Unfortunately a good diet of food is expensive too, probably moreso than preworkout, but the benefits (short and long) are much better and there are cheap ways about it!

yeah but i already diet

unlike your cupboard of delicious snacks

[Birds]

yeah but i already diet

unlike your cupboard of delicious snacks

Delicious snacks that taste great and give me long lasting energy for the gymnasium to feed both my muscles and my mind

All in the food and rest brah.

Exercise

Food

Rest

If you're struggling to perform at the gym and don't have a medical condition or injury, it's one of these. And if it's one of these, then your potential is being held back and a pep drink won't fix that.

Wonder how the older guys did it before pre workouts became so mainstream lol

[Dani Boi]

I'll admit that I only started using a PWO to make up for lack of sleep (that and was curious about the new product from BN)

I don't think I'll end up using it all the time

You'll be saying this in another month from now and the next, then the next... It's too late bro the damage is done

[Captain Natro]

One does not simply stop taking pre workout

[Birds]

Pre workout, not even once.