Gym And Supplement Discussion

[TUFF_350]

yeah I use the mirror to check form as well... but then there's the guys who spend 30min doing arm exercises... usually the same guys that aren't very big in the first place and are just there so they can look good in a singlet... would be better off doing chins... arm only workouts are for bodybuilders... and heros lol

BAHAHA true that!

[IOWNU]

Gyms can become like that. I think you'll find the figure much much lower in a family gym like mine, but in a complete meat axe environment within a close-knit small gym...steroid use is much more commo...because the guys are A. hardcore meat axes and B. all know each other / do much the same training and diet programs. You can say you wouldn't do it, but if you were a member there, there'd be a ton of peer pressure for doing what everyone else is, or simply to keep up with them.

Too true.

It depends on the culture of the gym.

Thommo/Dohertys are known to have some big units.

Derrimut 24/7 is another.

Oh and I'm around 175cms, recent pic of me in my profile.

I've lost 15kg and serious amount of muscle mass though the core is still there.

Signed up to a gym which i'd consider a serious 4.5 star on setup and services wise, only 12 months since opened and all equipment brand spanking new, paying only $8.5 p/w absolute bargain. Has all the necessary tools for a great work out

That's cheap, where will you be training?

Good luck with your re-gains.

just got my flu shot at work...was hoping it was gonna be inside elbow, unfortunately it was shoulder. There goes my shoulder session this arvo...

Harden up mate lol.

Seriously. It was a needle, you haven't been stabbed.

[Trozzle]

Too true.

It depends on the culture of the gym.

Thommo/Dohertys are known to have some big units.

Derrimut 24/7 is another.

Oh and I'm around 175cms, recent pic of me in my profile.

That's cheap, where will you be training?

Good luck with your re-gains.

Harden up mate lol.

Seriously. It was a needle, you haven't been stabbed.

I can't lift my arm lol

[Birds]

Hey Birds I tried the 50kg bench press til failure last night... but I did it right at then end of a workout where I'd done some powercleans and heavy overhead presses and was stuffed... and the wind was blowing in the wrong direction and I was wearing the wrong colour shorts... lol... nah I only managed 25... when fresh I think 35-40 would be doable but don't reckon I'd be making it to 45 any time soon (without much more practice)... it was a good pump to finish off a workout though, but I did feel it more in my arms than anywhere else... that's the problem when doing high reps on compound movements, the smaller muscles in your arms etc tend to fill up with blood well before you stress the major muscle groups

long story short... I'm a big vagina

ps. olympic style lifting is the shit... its freakin difficult and will f**k you up like nothing else... I feel like I was hit by a bus today

pps. bicep curls are ghey... and any time you walk into the gym at least half the dudes in there are curling in the mirror lol

LOL don't worry buddy, I did my 50kg challenge from a fresh start. That said, I do train for stamina/endurance with the number of sets and reps I do, so could probably get close to it. And yeah agreed...triceps will probably give out before your shoulders and chest will.

Bicep curls are alright IMO...I do a couple of isolation exercises because I do like to look good in a singlet haha. But I only like doing them with cables because it's too easy to cheat with a dumbell / you get to a point where your range of motion sucks. And concentration curls were fking my lower back.

[NickR33]

haha I have a dumbell set at home and have been known to bust out a few curls here and there... in the mirror of course

yeah I do some cable stuff at the end of a workout just to finish off... it gives a really good pump... man every time I write 'pump' I hear it in Arnie's voice from Pumping Iron lol

[Birds]

I haven't seen Pumping Iron, so pump just reminds me of some hardcore wog doing curls near the front door before heading out clubbing.

[NickR33]

I haven't seen Pumping Iron

go home immediately and d/l it! its brilliant

(its not a straight up doco... parts of it were set up/written to give it more of a story line... but he really does smoke weed... and inhale lol)

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[R31Nismoid]

I train out of the PCYC in St Kilda... its in no way glamorous, there's no spa or sauna or chicks with makeup on but its cheap and does the job... if your close you should come check it out

How often?

I need to find a gym partner. only issue being im a shift worker so 2 weeks evening, 2 weeks late morning is all i have possible to get to a gym which is a ripe pain in the arse.

[NickR33]

Tues night and Sat morning but both those with a PT

I train Thu night as well but usually at home, open to going to the gym if you want?... or even Wed night?

Mon night no good because I play bball... Fri night no good because I prefer to drink and be a fat bastard...

[R31Nismoid]

Fri I'malways working lol, so thats fine.

I'll PM ya when i get home after work and have a think.

Barelylifted a thing in 18-24 months so beginners gains love (and pain) for me

[Nee-san]

Power was down in the gym yesterday, 1:43 am.

Hit the bench anyway like a boss... in the dark.

gains is good, f**king hungry even more then usual though

[Birds]

If you're still doing my workout Neesan...expect to be eating a LOT of food lol. It burns through a shit ton of energy and the gains come fairly quickly when you're first on it. Can't believe you gym at 2am lol. I'm kind of glad my gym isn't 24 hour because I'd procrastinate my workouts way past the usual 9:30pm lockout of my gym! I'd never get to bed. Back when I was doing uni I used to run at 1am on some nights.

[Trozzle]

I wish my gym was 24 hour sometimes I just couldn't be farked going in the arvo, then later in the evening my second-wind of bother kicks in and I wanna go.....after they're closed

I'm gonna put in a very solid effort this evening (gotta pump up for tonights dubstep event </jerseyfag>) Will get into 70kg bench press straight off the bat after warmup and try to push on through 'til close (10pm)

it's gonna be hard, wish me luck

[JKR-32]

It's not about bearing weight or stabilising, it's about muscle contraction and therefore the breaking down of muscle. Your delts are contracting when you do flys, it doesn't matter how strict you want to do it; this has nothing to do with form. Isolation exercises are popular for rehablitation because they allow you to work around your injured muscle groups, hence you wouldn't recommend flys to someone recovering from shoulder surgery. In fact, it's very difficult to isolate torso muscles. Isolation is almost always used to describe the exercise of muscle groups within the limbs.

Very useful and overlooked I might add...the human body isn't perfect...chances are you'll have a muscle group that is lacking and holding you back in your compound exercises. Some isolation work on that particular group can improve your performance throughout the compound exercise. Take for example, tricep extensions....very good at creating added strength in the triceps for bench press. But yes, it should be done at the end of your workout, or the muscle groups you're trying to target with compound exercises will be missing out, because you won't make it through the exercise long enough to break them down. A good example of this is doing leg press to work your quads, prior to doing squats...say goodbye to your core and lower back workout. I always train people to start from the heart and finish at the fingers!

I think this discussion belongs in the other thread...so I do apologise to the food buffs in here

lol

Edited May 26, 2011 by JKR-32

[Birds]

But hey, whatever you find works, just keep doing it...we all different!

Unrelated, woodchops are still going well in my workout. Highly recommend these to anyone who wants to create some useful core strength - you can really feel it going to work.

Traditionally we focus on push and pull exercises at the gym, often neglecting the "sides". The result is a two dimensional strength base that leaves you with a good looking body and a strong push/pull, but a shitty balance side to side. Do some sideways core exercises and you'll wind up with a three dimension core...it's amazing the difference that this kind of strength will make in a sport or fight.

Core on the whole seems to be fairly overlooked in the family gymnasiums. For tall guys, this is going to be their biggest weakness due to a higher centre of gravity and the whole principle of length = torque. Wish I'd focused on it years ago!

[JKR-32]

Yea, I've been on the wood chop boat lately as well. One of my best mates used to do a shit load of them a few years back. If you want something even more challenging he used to do them while standing on a bosu. I haven't tried that one yet though, don't think I'm up for the challenge

Edited May 26, 2011 by JKR-32

[dezz]

I know there was a link or a vid a while back on these woodchops, but I can't be fucked looking for it, so who's got it handy?

[Birds]

Will dig one up tomorrow morning. Basically just put a handle on any cable machine (I'm using the two rope grip on a mid to high pulley), grip it with both hands, face the mirror and imitate the motion of chopping down a tree with an axe. Twist/sway the upper body as you pull the cable from one side of you to the other. A nice wide foot stance is good or you just fall over / will struggle to do any serious weight.

Yeah I'll just post a vid lol.

[Birds]

Here's a decent video I guess. Just looking on YouTube, there are tons of variations on woodchops.

This guy seems to be targeting the obliques with his movement...fairly strict way of doing the exercise...good for body building or shaping muscle. I use a wider stance and a heavier weight to involve my legs a bit, making it into more of a compound movement - I feel this is more useful for functional strength, because in an applied situation you will be using a wide stance and your legs to hold your ground or try to wrestle/topple someone over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57UYMvsdP8g