Gym And Supplement Discussion

[IOWNU]

olympic lifting is a bit of a double edged sword... carry some fat to help you lift but your still trying to make a certain weight division etc so too much fat is pointless... the heavier classes seem to get away with it but the smaller guys/girls are pretty lean

True that.

As you said, in the heavier classes they can get away with it

(Hosein Rezazadeh anyone?)

[Birds]

lol just look at all the record attempts for bench press etc.

All fat friggen bulls.

[macdog]

best pre workout supp is oats with banana, honey and a bit of milk...

can't go wrong!! did someone say spanner in the works?

[dan_the_man]

I have tried a lot of the pre workout supps.

I will tell you my personal experience though, i was addicted to all the pre workout supps, NO Explode, Jack 3d, black powder etc. Basically couldnt train without em which is quite common.

I had to take a medical for my work (this is where it may be interesting for you.... i manage a gym/Leisure Centre with 3300 members) and my medical came back with high blood pressure, 150/85 resting. Whilst not extremely high, it is still stage 1 hypertension and of concern at the time for a 30 year old.

Got put on blood pressue tablets. 30 years old, eat healthy, train 5 times per week since i was 18! why am i on medication?..... stopped taking pre workouts, stopped the medication and now sit at 135 over 80, just under stage 1 hypertension.

Most of the pre workout supps contain high dosages of caffeine, needless to say in constant usage it is not good for you. Whilst i was addicted to them you could tell me this a thousand times and i wouldnt listen.

Gees i sound like one of those anti supplement whack jobs. I still take protein and creatine, just wanted to let you know my experience and coincidences taking this stuff. Not good in long term but i got really good results.

P.S. i have read the gym and supplement discussion many a time and now dont bother, misinformation and people saying what everyone else mentions is wrong is not what i am after.

lol all I take now is egg white protein powder. I don't think Australia allows anything that has any real effect.

[JD32R]

hey guys,

Am a personal trainer (well used to be) and have got back into gym increasingly over the last 2 years.

Pre workout supps that ive tried: take into account with alot of these substances or supplements it is all up to your personal make up. some things affect others some do not.

JACKED - quite good however found the same effect, going crazy till all hours (smallest scooper i have ever seen, as big as a 5 cent piece and 3/4 inch deep) ultra concentrate.

NO EXPLODE - limited effect for myself, quite edgy with a massive come down period, felt double as drained after heavy weights workout, also did not enjoy the flavour or taste.

GASPARI SUPER PUMP - limited affect, sufficient pumps, no come down phase, however was not intense enough for what i demanded, also quite expensive.

WHITE FLOOD - I found with this i had to time to intake perfectly, too soon it wore off before gym and then i became withdrawn, too late and i would get all itchy and uncomfortable. No allergic reactions however, quite strong limited pumps again ultra concentrate and small serves, lemon flavour was horrible.

1MR - Terrific product is all i can say!! amazing, pumps were crazy if any of you have seen dragon ball z its like super sayin mode. built size, dense muscle tissue, strength for days (sexual stamina haha) great product i found, only good flavour is fruit punch i found blue raspberry is fowl! bumped into a body builder friend of mine who was training another older body builder who said if he knew about 1mr 15 years ago or it was invented he wouldnt have used steroroids. so take that as you will, my view wasnt that extreme however i felt it was an amazing product.

About to endeavour and try a new product ASSAULT pre workout supplement if anyone has tried it or got any info? got a much higher rating than 1MR and better value that i found.

A good website to check out if any of you guys are new to working out, want to shred up, bulk up eat better etc etc.

www.bodybuilding.com

Team is super helpful, products are super cheap, postage to AUS is great value, especially if you split between couple of friends.

Only catch is just like noted above they do not ship everything, however they will ship just about most things, minus protein and testosterone booster (tribulus - plant extract enhancer) and ZMA (zinc magnesium compound) that i have found.

If any of you guys are interested this is what i will be taking for the next phase of my training for the next three months. Full meal plans (ripping up plus trying to add about 15kg of solid mass, current weight 80 - 83kg)

-Optimum protein

-MAX's weight gain formula protein

-ASSAULT pre workout

-BCAA's

-L-carnitine

-L-arginine

-L-alanine

Creatine

Glutamine

ZMA

also with a proper meal plan. Bit of strictness but results hopefully will speak for themselves

Hope that helped anyone who wanted to know. Check out the site, even if your a normal person like myself, its got great info, great help and cheap products, Win Win!

Everything i have put above is from my own personal experience, before choosing a product research its ingredients and manufacturer properly.

JD.

[JD32R]

I have tried a lot of the pre workout supps.

I will tell you my personal experience though, i was addicted to all the pre workout supps, NO Explode, Jack 3d, black powder etc. Basically couldnt train without em which is quite common.

I had to take a medical for my work (this is where it may be interesting for you.... i manage a gym/Leisure Centre with 3300 members) and my medical came back with high blood pressure, 150/85 resting. Whilst not extremely high, it is still stage 1 hypertension and of concern at the time for a 30 year old.

Got put on blood pressue tablets. 30 years old, eat healthy, train 5 times per week since i was 18! why am i on medication?..... stopped taking pre workouts, stopped the medication and now sit at 135 over 80, just under stage 1 hypertension.

Most of the pre workout supps contain high dosages of caffeine, needless to say in constant usage it is not good for you. Whilst i was addicted to them you could tell me this a thousand times and i wouldnt listen.

Gees i sound like one of those anti supplement whack jobs. I still take protein and creatine, just wanted to let you know my experience and coincidences taking this stuff. Not good in long term but i got really good results.

P.S. i have read the gym and supplement discussion many a time and now dont bother, misinformation and people saying what everyone else mentions is wrong is not what i am after.

Have to agree, I have heard of all the problems with the pre workout supplements with concentrate caffeine and large instant doses. A naturopath i was talking to suggested rotating the uses, alot of the manufacturers also state to work in a loading phase to build tolerance to the supplement as well as using for an on/off period which i have taken as a 4 weeks on 4 weeks off phase. Its also really good to go back to basics whilst not using preworkout, i start with longer warm ups, fewer sets building to more and more. I also use more basic routines with fundamental lifting, squats, bench, deadlift. helps me build up to higher weights and i find the muscle memory makes the results speak for themselves.

Another thing to watch out for is sugar levels from protein, some of the proteins particular MASS WEIGHT GAINERS take alot of carbs from sugar and this is not the best. I opt for natural proteins or wheys to minimise this sugar intake. if your desperate for carbs look to substitute with meals as a change.

Again these are my findings and what i have noticed. Not to be taken as word.

JD

[dan_the_man]

and be sure to visit the misc section.

[S T A R 3 3]

lol.. strong miscbrahs/10

[some_cs_student]

lol all I take now is egg white protein powder. I don't think Australia allows anything that has any real effect.

If it works, its usually banned.

Caffeine works to a point, along with creatine.

However most strong I've met supplement very little.

[PM-R33]

With the dollar being so excellent shopping online is even better now. Got me thinking the other day about getting suplements from overseas. So after a bit of research I got in contact with a few distributors and their prices are very good.

Now I understand bringing in "food" into Australia is quite a complicated topic and that a lot of things are banned from being brought in.

But is there any rough guidelines that people have come across with bringing stuff in? Since proteins contain a lot of milk and egg products are most a no go?

Also I read online that for personal use maximum is 10kg worth of food?

Do people not even bother because it is to hard and customs sieze most stuff?

Fairly new on the topic of bringing in this type of stuff into the country so any suggestions would be great

[PM-R33]

1MR - Terrific product is all i can say!! amazing, pumps were crazy if any of you have seen dragon ball z its like super sayin mode. built size, dense muscle tissue, strength for days (sexual stamina haha) great product i found, only good flavour is fruit punch i found blue raspberry is fowl! bumped into a body builder friend of mine who was training another older body builder who said if he knew about 1mr 15 years ago or it was invented he wouldnt have used steroroids. so take that as you will, my view wasnt that extreme however i felt it was an amazing product.

Would you recommend this one to some one that hasn't really tried preworkout supplements before? I'm looking at trying something for the first time to see what it is like, havn't ever taken a preworkout supplement before lol. Was going to try Jack3D or Crank.

[Birds]

Proteins and powders man...buy them locally. It's not worth the hassle, let alone the research just to get what is essentially the same product repackaged 20 times over, in from overseas. More specific products like muscle builders, tablets etc., you might like to get from overseas...but whey is all the same shit and it's all pretty cheap here. Try www.a1supplements.com.au

[PM-R33]

Yeah I figured it probably wasn't worth the hassel.

But for example some of the proteins I take are $130 in the store in Aus, $95 online/ebay or $50USD + freight from the states. If you get a few of them to make the freight worthwhile works out with good savings in the long run.

I also mean like proper branded stuff that you get in the stores here.

[Birds]

If you can get it that cheap off eBay it might be worthwhile. I've never had an issue with paying $120 for 4.5kg of Ultimate Nutrition though...lasts me a long time so I haven't bothered to try and find cheaper.

[PM-R33]

Lol that's what I use

Real Gains in the big dog food bags? Haha.

[R31Nismoid]

If you want cheap, no frills/marketing supps

www.bulknutrients.com.au

Their WPI is 89-90%, most other 'branded' WPI seems to be anywhere from 65-80%. Basically no fillers at all in it which is good if that's what you want. Flat rate postage too which is good if buying in bulk.

Talking to a BB here @ work he tells me he used to get his stuff from the US as well but sometimes it would get stopped @ customs etc. So not really worth the hassle/price reduction sometimes if you get a shipment that gets stopped

[S T A R 3 3]

yeah ive ordered stuff from US before and its a bit of a lottery with whether or not customs will inspect it or not.. sometimes I've had to wait, sometimes it's gone through without issues. It is cheaper buying from US, just aslong as you're buying in bulk or a group buy..

to add to the suggested links above; proteindirect.com.au $7 for postage and I received it the next day.. (melb-ACT)

[PM-R33]

See me and the old man use a bit of supplements (he uses a lot more different things than I do) and now my missus and mum is starting on some supplements. So I figured the costs for every one is getting up there and if buying stuff in bulk from the US was going to save some big $ it would be worth it.

However I don't want to take gambles with ordering something and hoping it doesn't come through. Would only do it if I knew what was approved and what wasn't.

Found this:

Protein powders may be permitted entry into Australia for personal consumption without the requirement for an import permit provided the product is labelled with the individual ingredients including percentages of each ingredient adding up to 100 per cent . Alternatively the consignments may be accompanied by a manufacturers declaration listing the individual ingredients adding up to 100 per cent . Each of these ingredients must meet AQIS import conditions. It is the importers responsibility to provide sufficient documentation to satisfy AQIS that the product in each consignment is as stated.

Protein powders containing dairy derived ingredients such as Whey, Isolate and/or Caseinates must be labelled as originating from and 'Manufactured in' one of the countries listed by the World Organization for Animal Health (formerly known as the Office International des Epizooties [OIE]) as free from foot and mouth disease (FMD) with or without vaccination. This information can be found on the OIE website. If the labelling of powder does not specify the country of origin and manufacture, or includes the phrase made from local and imported ingredients, a manufacturer's declaration will be required certifying that the milk component is sourced from an FMD-free country.

Protein powders containing egg will need to be labelled as containing less than 10 per cent egg to be exempt from requiring an import permit. There must also be no discernable pieces of egg in the product. If the labelling of the powder does not specify the egg content a manufacturer's declaration certifying that the egg component is less than 10 per cent (by dry weight) is required. Products with more than 10 per cent egg content and/or containing discernable pieces of egg require an import permit.

Protein powders containing animal derived ingredients such as enzymes eg. pancreatin, trypsin, rennet and insulin and bovine serum albumin have an associated quarantine risk and may require an import permit.

Highly processed substances that are listed as pharmaceutical excipients on the ICON database are not regarded as a quarantine risk in these products.

Import conditions can be accessed via the AQIS Imports Condition database (ICON). This database lists the Quarantine conditions under which various commodities may be imported into Australia.

Note: A non-commercial consignment is considered to be an item that is imported for non-commercial (personal) use in quantities of no more than 10 kilograms or 10 litres of the one type of item.

[dezz]

As above, I've been using protein direct for quite a while now. $87 for 2.5kg of WPI delivered, very quick delivery too.

If you get it with some mates you'll save more, and it all comes in 2.5kg bags so it's easy to bulk buy with a group of friends.

I will be buying 1kg from bulk nutrients to see how it compares to protein direct (taste/mixability) and if it's decent I'll probably grab 10kg of that.

For those putting a whole heap of thought into which protein to use, and buying certain types because so and so uses it and you want to look like them, you're wasting your time.

Basically find one with a good protein % per serve, as little sugar/carbs etc in it (unless you want carbs obviously) and at a decent price.

[R31Nismoid]

If you want to come and grab a bit to try, you are more than welcome mate.

I kid you not when i say the strawberry one from BN is almost like a milkshake (with milk).

Or with water it mixes perfectly after a quick 4-5 sec shake, like flavoured water almost.