Epa Friendly 300kw Skyline

[Dean_HR31]

How we goin guys?

Just a quick query thats been on my mind alll day. Basically Created Motorsports are gonna start rebuilding my motor very soon. I intend on keeping my R33 as a street/track drift car with about 270-300 rwkws...

The following is the setup i will be running: (The only change now from before is i will be upgrading from a GT 28-76R to something like a 700 roller)

-RB25 motor with GTR rods & crank, Forged Pistons, O Ringed Block & Race Bearings etc.

-720cc Injectors

-Bosche 040 Pump

-Sard Fuel Reg

-Aluminium Radiator

-Oil Cooler

-Profec B Spec 2 Controller

-GT 35 40 (or similar)

-Microtech Computer

-Garret Front Mount

Thats a quick rundown of the setup I will be running. NOW my question IS, is there any possible way at all of running the above setup and having the car make very decent power which would pass EPA Emissions Tests????

I've heard of a few guys pulling this off. Just wondering how they went about it/the tips/tricks etc etc.

I understand that an after market computer isn't EPA friendly, either are bigger injectors, or a boost controller etc etc. So how have some of these guys made such power without the above crucial mods which are needed to do so??

Please advise!

Thanks heaps.

[Marco-R34GTT]

Read my good friend... Great stuff here!

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Em...ed-t155081.html

[R31Nismoid]

Guilt-toy's thread is irrelevant to this discussion Marco.

This user is in Vic and the laws greatly differ to that of NSW.

Simply put, you will NOT get a car passed with bigger injectors, regs, single mount turbos and so on.

I mean, your welcome to try, but at the end of the day i tell you now it wont happen with the mods you've listed. Your going about it in the incorrect way.

The people you have 'heard' have either not told you the full story, or they are just making it all up

You might be able to get passed if you went about your modifications intelligently.

Low mounts (of factory size)

Stock injectors

Stock fuel reg

No boost controller

Stock piping, BOV's and so on.

The BIGGEST hurt, is getting the exhaust quiet. 90dB @ 5200rpm is a VERY tough ask for an exhaust that flows 350rwkw+ with the deep note of the RB26. Im going through the drama's, and have been for 6 months, with a 3.5" 92-93dB exhaust... which is close, but not quite there just yet.

There is a lot more too it, couple of tricks as with all things, but i doubt anyone will post them on a forum. I'm certainly not going to do so as its cost me a fortune to know what i know, in both time and money

If you feel like coming to a SAU-Vic General Meeting i might be more inclined to spill some beans

[SECURITY]

There is a lot more too it, couple of tricks as with all things, but i doubt anyone will post them on a forum. I'm certainly not going to do so as its cost me a fortune to know what i know, in both time and money

If you feel like coming to a SAU-Vic General Meeting i might be more inclined to spill some beans

but its different when you leech information off other people, right?

[MRGTR911]

but its different when you leech information off other people, right?

I know ay man were suppose to help each other out. Next thing you know hes going to ask for money for information ....

[mesmerized]

There is a lot more too it, couple of tricks as with all things, but i doubt anyone will post them on a forum. I'm certainly not going to do so as its cost me a fortune to know what i know, in both time and money

sounds pretty selfish

i'm sure guilt toy went through a lot of time/money to pass his emissions test, and he posted his exp in great detail

not trying to be rude by any means btw, just that what you said sounds like your saying - i've spent all this time and money, and if you want to pass your emissions, you'll have to do the same.

wouldn't helping each other as much as possible benefit the sau comunity? i dont' understand why this should be guarded information. the more legally modified skylines the better.

Edited January 13, 2008 by into oblivion

[MRGTR911]

sounds pretty selfish

i'm sure guilt toy went through a lot of time/money to pass his emissions test, and he posted his exp in great detail

not trying to be rude by any means btw, just that what you said sounds like your saying - i've spent all this time and money, and if you want to pass your emissions, you'll have to do the same.

wouldn't helping each other as much as possible benefit the sau comunity? i dont' understand why this should be guarded information. the more legally modified skylines the better.

I Also Went Through EPA Emissions and RTA Defects it is a very hard process if your a first Timer ,Guilt Toy Helped Mer out And as he helped me out , I i will offer any advice to help out people to make it less stressfull for them...

[Gts-t]

I know ay man were suppose to help each other out. Next thing you know hes going to ask for money for information ....

+1

[stolen_s15]

Its actually not that hard to pass providing a few things:

1. Car is tuned for the purpose of passing. (cant stress this enough)

2. Car has a 1 (2 are better) high quality cat convertors.

3. Exhaust system is quiet enough.

4. All emissions equipt (carbon canister ect) is hooked up.

Call the EPA on 9695 2675 and ask for their advice (you will prob need to go to geelong to be tested at the ford plant down there) also jump on ozhonda.com and pm BLKCRX (James) He has a street legal 400kw delsol CRX.

Cheers

[VB-]

LPG an option?

[Roy]

I dont know the whole story, but perhaps the tricks are just that .... tricks. So by posting them they become public knowledge which includes inspectors/regulatory bodies and the loop hole would soon close?!?!?!?!?!? Im sure Nismoid would share the info if he felt posting it didnt have consequences.

Things like using a high flow instead of an aftermarket turbo etc are the obvious things...perhaps its just things like that?!?!?!

[SECURITY]

There is a lot more too it, couple of tricks as with all things, but i doubt anyone will post them on a forum. I'm certainly not going to do so as its cost me a fortune to know what i know, in both time and money

i dont think so, Roy. sounds like hes being a hold-out just because it was him who had to spend the money.

i mean, if these guys didnt spend the money or the time, they wouldnt have the info to help you, would they?

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/SE...lems-t2196.html

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/RB...B25-t20624.html <-- even sydneykid, and we all know how much time and money he's spent.

i think ash is just a bit of a tight ass, Roy.

[Dean_HR31]

hmmm yes...

Now this is the thing, i obviously know the way the car is gonna be on the road will not be EPA friendly.. BUT if it were to get an EPA id like to only have to change easy things for it to pass.

My main concern is the Turbo. What Turbo/Setup could i run (making a responsive 270-280rwkw) which wouldnt have to be changed if i were to cop an EPA? I know for a fact the labour to remove and re fit the turbo would be the dearest in process of getting the car through EPA.

Things like exhaust, aftermarket computer, BOV & injectors i dont mind not passing cos they aren't hard to change with standard parts if i get EPA'd. Especially since im running a plug in Microtech which can be plugged at any time!

Am I making sense? And can anyone give me some detailed advice...?

Edited January 14, 2008 by Dean_HR31

[R31Nismoid]

Joe.

Maybe if i 'leeched' it, then yes. Sadly your one of the typical morons that people encounter more and more each day who get all excited without knowing what im talking about... and clearly you do not have the brain power to workout what im working towards either.

And where did i ask for money you retarded child?

Im quite happy to share what i know, ask the 1000's of people i help a year on this forum, PMs/emails i answer, chats @ events, people coming around to my place, calls at various hours of the day/night... so the list goes on.

I spend countless hours helping people, and i ask for nothing more than a happy person at the end of the day.

Oh, and nice 'highlighting' the words at the end of a statement, pity you forgot the first half.

You'd have a great journo for ACA with your stupidity.

Just relax or you can go on yet another holiday, because as usual your flying off with retarded comments... something you don't seem to learn from

I dont know the whole story, but perhaps the tricks are just that .... tricks. So by posting them they become public knowledge which includes inspectors/regulatory bodies and the loop hole would soon close?!?!?!?!?!? Im sure Nismoid would share the info if he felt posting it didnt have consequences.

Things like using a high flow instead of an aftermarket turbo etc are the obvious things...perhaps its just things like that?!?!?!

At least there is someone with a mind to think outside the square

[SECURITY]

i love it when you talk dirty, pumpkin.

anyway. back to topic.

are you looking to get your EPA friendly just for EPA? or you want it to be 100% EPA so you can engineer it and keep it like that permanently?

because any tuner out there will do an emissions tune for you but i dont know how safe it is on your motor.

[QUICKY]

hahaha how come r31nismoid gets to call people "retarted child" and stupid lol. personally i think if someone has a problem with someone else you should take it to PM. We dont need more name calling, especially from a moderator, as this just opens up a window for everyone else to call others what they please. After all this is supposed to be a friendly discussion forum aimed at assisting other fellow skyline owners. So, if you have a few little tricks and you dont want to share, you should probably not bring it up in the first place, as i can see why some people might see you as holding out

anywhoooo my 2 cents

OH and that "moron" who you believe we have to put up with, has save me thousands of dollars by helping me with my car. He installed my new injectors, fuel pump, and highflow turbo without taking a cent off me. So please dont speak on our behalfs. His one of the few people on this forum who i have met, that are willing to help a stranger without asking for anything in return . keep up the good work SECURITY

Edited January 15, 2008 by QUICKY

[Gts-t]

That had crossed my mind also quicky

[Guilt-Toy]

Get rid of of that atari 2600 and get a power fc.

Get a catco 3 way cat.

Bring your car to me in NSW and after a few hours on the dyno you will pass your emissions test when you go back to VIC.

I know your not going to come but i thought id offer anyway

[MRGTR911]

hahaha how come r31nismoid gets to call people "retarted child" and stupid lol. personally i think if someone has a problem with someone else you should take it to PM. We dont need more name calling, especially from a moderator, as this just opens up a window for everyone else to call others what they please. After all this is supposed to be a friendly discussion forum aimed at assisting other fellow skyline owners. So, if you have a few little tricks and you dont want to share, you should probably not bring it up in the first place, as i can see why some people might see you as holding out

anywhoooo my 2 cents

OH and that "moron" who you believe we have to put up with, has save me thousands of dollars by helping me with my car. He installed my new injectors, fuel pump, and highflow turbo without taking a cent off me. So please dont speak on our behalfs. His one of the few people on this forum who i have met, that are willing to help a stranger without asking for anything in return . keep up the good work SECURITY

Yeah thats so true Man i wanna see these people who talk like this in real life ill slap them across the head ..... All swearing i agree to PM ......

[SECURITY]

thats exactly where i took it boys

Edited January 15, 2008 by SECURITY