R35 Gtr In Melbourne

[DOTARS Insider]

i stand re-corrected. 3 cars have been imported with VIA's

The rest are pending (and as i have been told) will be pending for a loooonnnnggg time (race/rally excluded)

And did i not i say that the Donut king was Race/Rally?

Please post the pic's or point me in the direction of the photos and keen to see the number on the trade plate.

Edited March 5, 2008 by DOTARS Insider

[Duncan]

I'm still confused mate, I know of 5 in the country - so are you saying there are 2 without approval?

[Guest]

I have seen 3 in Perth alone plus the other ones I know of in AUS or Japan on the docks or space being booked to get them here, Nissan's "special" Import Approval would more then likely be as below as their is no other option but read the last condition.

MARKET-EVALUATION VEHICLES and PRE-RELEASE-EVALUATION VEHICLES

Conditions of Registration

4.3.1 The conditions of registration will include:-

• that the vehicle(s) when driven on public roads may only be driven by persons in the direct employ of, or contracted to, the applicant for the approval in the course of business, and that the vehicle(s) must not be driven on public roads by vehicle dealers, journalists, or members of the public;

• a prohibition on the transfer of registration or sale of the vehicle during the registration period; and

• that the vehicle is to be disposed of at the end of the period of registration either by export, destroying, or by means agreed to by the Administrator (eg. making the vehicle available to training providers) and that the vehicle must never be supplied to the market for use in transport in Australia.

[Duncan]

ooer I have lots of experience destroying skylines. I should give Nissan a call and offer to help out.

[SS8_Gohan]

yeah i was about to say 'dotars insider' there are a few floating around in WA, drag vid on youtube anyone?

so i guess your "inside" contacts are on the "outside" of dotars?

[C-Red]

i stand re-corrected. 3 cars have been imported with VIA's

The rest are pending (and as i have been told) will be pending for a loooonnnnggg time (race/rally excluded)

And did i not i say that the Donut king was Race/Rally?

Please post the pic's or point me in the direction of the photos and keen to see the number on the trade plate.

I call shenanigans. DOTARS insider my arse. You've been shown to be a fraud. Give it up.

Jash

[evil_weevil]

hahaha Old road in VIC?

hahaha Im with Druncan on this one, in fact my car has been worked on in there also

[Snowman]

Geez - as much as everyone is calling Shenanigans here hasn't anyone wondered why the black Fabcar one has been to the drags and the track and to AHG but yet the Silver one hasn't moved an inch?

[Duncan]

maybe its out of fuel?

it didn't get into the sountry without an import approval. so its either race/rally or sevs test car. even if its a sevs test car the dealer has every right to move it to workshops as required using a trade plate

[R32zilla]

Lets get a few things corrected.

A car can only be imported into Australia with an appropriate VIA. From my contacts 3 VIA's have been issued for R35's.

1 x Nissan Australia (Melbourne Motor Show)

1 x Donut King

1 x NSW company (unknown name)

I have been told that Nissan have special a special VIA that allows them to register the car under certain conditions. The other 2 vehicles have been imported under the Race/Rally regulations via Perth.

I have also been told that if either of the non Nissan cars are used on the road (with trade plate or not) that the owner faces immediate confiscation of the car and the owner and/or driver faces very stiff (corporate level) fines. If as other forum members have noted that a car has been seen on the road, where is the Video footage and photos? In an age where every one has a phone with a camera, how come we don't have any evidence of a car in Chappel Street? Sounds like an urban myth to me.

Why would you risk a 150K plus car on the road when it shouldn't be there?

Sunday Monring in Perth city. Black R35 GTR Fabcar clearly spotted.

[DOTARS Insider]

I have checked with my source and has confirmed that when last checked (a few weeks back) there was only 3 VIA's issued. 2 for race/rally and as previously noted Nissan's motor show car.

He also confirmed that;

1. Nissan have started the process to gain full import approval looking towards a March 09 on sale date - No surprises there as the Nissan boss said that at the motor show a week or so back.

2. If a car is imported under a race/rally VIA it is not permitted on the road in any way shape of form - Trade plate or not. He also mentioned that as ther are now aware that the car has seen road use with a trade plate they will actively seek the trade plate owner. The reason being that a trade plate is for the sole use of;

- Demonstrating a new vehicle prior to registration.

- Moving the vehicle for the prepertion of a roadworthy (ie repair) or gaining registration.

- Testing or evaluation.

Given that the car can never be registered then the above points ar void.

And out of left field, it was mentioned that If indeed a P plater was driving the car in Melbourne they would enact the hoon law and confiscate the vehicle given the P plate restrictions.

&

1. Apparently there is no restriction on bringing a car to Australia without a VIA. I was told that there are hundreds of cars sitting in Custom's compounds around Australia awaiting VIA's to be approved.

2. There are cars imported (illegally) into Australia in containers under the guise of parts (front cut / rear cut etc)

Obviously they can never be registered but they will find there way to race tracks etc.

Edited March 6, 2008 by DOTARS Insider

[Beer Baron]

I have checked with my source and has confirmed that when last checked (a few weeks back) there was only 3 VIA's issued. 2 for race/rally and as previously noted Nissan's motor show car.

He also confirmed that;

1. Nissan have started the process to gain full import approval looking towards a March 09 on sale date - No surprises there as the Nissan boss said that at the motor show a week or so back.

2. If a car is imported under a race/rally VIA it is not permitted on the road in any way shape of form - Trade plate or not. He also mentioned that as ther are now aware that the car has seen road use with a trade plate they will actively seek the trade plate owner. The reason being that a trade plate is for the sole use of;

- Demonstrating a new vehicle prior to registration.

- Moving the vehicle for the prepertion of a roadworthy (ie repair) or gaining registration.

- Testing or evaluation.

Given that the car can never be registered then the above points ar void.

And out of left field, it was mentioned that If indeed a P plater was driving the car in Melbourne they would enact the hoon law and confiscate the vehicle given the P plate restrictions.

&

1. Apparently there is no restriction on bringing a car to Australia without a VIA. I was told that there are hundreds of cars sitting in Custom's compounds around Australia awaiting VIA's to be approved.

2. There are cars imported (illegally) into Australia in containers under the guise of parts (front cut / rear cut etc)

Obviously they can never be registered but they will find there way to race tracks etc.

your insider needs to do some more homework mate. half of the points you so kindly raise are incorrect.

3 VIAs issued? wrong, I can't think off the top of my head of more cars than that already in country and as your insider will know no car can leave the docks with out a VIA.

2. that is also wrong. cars imported for tarmac rally use can be granted conditional registration (at least they can in NSW). yes of course they can never be fully road registered cars, but they can for certain purposes be driven on the road.

as for people driving the cars under a trade plate who are you to say what they were or were not doing? why would it be unreasonable for them to be driven to gain registration? rally registration requires a blue slip just like anyone else so why could it not be driven there under trade plates? there could be any number of legititmate, legal reasons for moving the car under trade plates. it's not up to you, or me to speculate as to what they were doing.

[Beer Baron]

nice, since you edited your post I will reiterate that no car can leave the docks without a VIA. so what if some cars are sitting on the docks? no one is driving them, and I don't know of any R35s in this position.

as for your point about illegally importing cars as parts I don't personally know of anyone foolish enough to try this, it is totally illegal and penalties would be quite harsh if you were caught. and if as you say the car was for legitimate race use then why not just import it as a race car with the appropriate VIA?

[funkymonkey]

also keep in mind that trade plates can be used on compliance test vehicles for testing and evaluation purposes. on road tests are part of this procedure, so seeing a car on the road with a trade plate isn't a big issue. good luck to whoever at DOTARS that seems to think that they can pin a trade plate holder based on random snapshots of the car on the road.

[Stephen Thorpe]

also keep in mind that trade plates can be used on compliance test vehicles for testing and evaluation purposes. on road tests are part of this procedure, so seeing a car on the road with a trade plate isn't a big issue. good luck to whoever at DOTARS that seems to think that they can pin a trade plate holder based on random snapshots of the car on the road.

Interesting stuff, my understanding of a trade plate is that they are fairly relaxed in their use and can be used easily.

Not sure how the import rules line up with that, but I can not imagine that a police officer would now the rules either.

Also, how is the hoon law part of P Plate restrictions? If a P Plate driver is in one, perhaps he has restrictions removed for some legal reasons and unless he is laying rubber or making unnecessary noise what is the issue?

[funkymonkey]

I think someone with a federal job doesn't know how how state law works and where their jurisdiction starts and ends.

[DOTARS Insider]

Interesting stuff, my understanding of a trade plate is that they are fairly relaxed in their use and can be used easily.

Obviously you dont possess a trade plate. Their use is far from relaxed. As some car dealers have been using them to avoid registering a demo, the authorities have been clamping down on their use. You can be pretty well guaranteed that if a cop see's a trade plate in use after hours and on weekends they will question your use of it and they usually report it to the state rego authorities.

nice, since you edited your post I will reiterate that no car can leave the docks without a VIA. so what if some cars are sitting on the docks? no one is driving them, and I don't know of any R35s in this position.

I have no idea of any R35's on the docks. It was nothing more than a comment.

Also, how is the hoon law part of P Plate restrictions? If a P Plate driver is in one, perhaps he has restrictions removed for some legal reasons and unless he is laying rubber or making unnecessary noise what is the issue?

Apparently in Victoria some of the cops in the trouble areas have been using the power restriction rules as a backstop to the anti hoon laws. The argument that if a P plater is in a "hot area" with a "hot car" then they are engaging in hoon (their words) activities.

as for your point about illegally importing cars as parts I don't personally know of anyone foolish enough to try this, it is totally illegal and penalties would be quite harsh if you were caught. and if as you say the car was for legitimate race use then why not just import it as a race car with the appropriate VIA?

Youd be surprised at how many cars exist in this manner. Around the corner from me in Punch Bowl there is a certain shop (alledgedly) that curently has 2 race cars in their position that were importhed in this manner.

And last point. For so many sightings, were are the pics video's that everyone keeps talking about?

Sound like chinese whispers to me.

[Blitz]

I have checked with my source and has confirmed that when last checked (a few weeks back) there was only 3 VIA's issued. 2 for race/rally and as previously noted Nissan's motor show car.

He also confirmed that;

1. Nissan have started the process to gain full import approval looking towards a March 09 on sale date - No surprises there as the Nissan boss said that at the motor show a week or so back.

2. If a car is imported under a race/rally VIA it is not permitted on the road in any way shape of form - Trade plate or not. He also mentioned that as ther are now aware that the car has seen road use with a trade plate they will actively seek the trade plate owner. The reason being that a trade plate is for the sole use of;

- Demonstrating a new vehicle prior to registration.

- Moving the vehicle for the prepertion of a roadworthy (ie repair) or gaining registration.

- Testing or evaluation.

Given that the car can never be registered then the above points ar void.

And out of left field, it was mentioned that If indeed a P plater was driving the car in Melbourne they would enact the hoon law and confiscate the vehicle given the P plate restrictions.

&

1. Apparently there is no restriction on bringing a car to Australia without a VIA. I was told that there are hundreds of cars sitting in Custom's compounds around Australia awaiting VIA's to be approved.

2. There are cars imported (illegally) into Australia in containers under the guise of parts (front cut / rear cut etc)

Obviously they can never be registered but they will find there way to race tracks etc.

Maybe you should ask your 'insider' contact to register on the forum instead of passing off second hand information because the garbage your posting and your anonymous user name are so far giving your posts little credibility.

[giant]

only thing i have to say in this matter, is that "most" of the people looking at this thread a well aware of the laws and situation on importing and using a vehicle for race/rally purposes, many make up part of the very fabric of local racing in australia!

as an importer of a race car under rally rego, i will be building this car up at work and at subcontractor shops , this takes plenty od time and as far as i am aware you are allowed to used your vehicle on the roads for an event, to and from an event or in preparation for an event!

the photo's i have seen, all are of cars leading upto preparation for events!

i am also a holder of a trade plate, and there are all sorts of cases that a trade plate can be used for as far as i am aware, in my case defence force vehicles are not registered at all, all the have on them is a number plate supplied by defence, which is only compliant when driven by a defence tested and license operator, thus we use a trade plate so as to comply with our requirement. also we are a twenty four hour operation so you will see us on the road at two in the morning!

you state if a vehicle that " If a car is imported under a race/rally VIA it is not permitted on the road in any way shape of form - Trade plate or not." then you should not go to any australian rally championship evnts (ARC) or any tarmac rally events in australia as 90% of the field is running under import race/rally rego. FACT

ALSO given you new arrival here on this forum , you would think you show a little bit more respect to your forum members. there are many on here that have been around long enough to be aware of the rules and requirements.

[Guest]

Some people who use this forum have a few things to do before they make any more posts on certain subjects.

1. Understand the ADR's and all the associated rules Federally and each state before making posts on in depth subjects that they clearly have no understanding of.

2. Not all of a sudden appear and think they can stir the pot up with people who have all freely stated their experience in the Specialist & Enthusiast Vehicle Scheme.

3. After understanding them learn how to cut and paste from sites like Motor Vehicle Standars Act 1989 and Vehicle Certification Scheme not what they pull out of their arse.

4. So finally they need to "Get a Life" and not prove how much of a "Key Board Warrior" they are, but if they do know everything please tell me how long a piece of string is.