Ethical/social Question

[r_o_b]

OK I've almost finished my oral presentation on the new p-plater laws. My final question to all you guys and girls is that;

if events: drag, drift, track days/nights were subsidized by the Government and were made cheaper I mean alot cheaper ($10 entry at calder and $50-100 trackdays for example) would you refrain from 'hoon' like behaviour on the roads?

I understand how much more busy places like calder will be but try to keep this out of your decision.

Cheers ROb

[xr34x]

No, it would just give me good training and more confidence to do it on the road and not kill myself.

Selfish and stupid I know.

[Nefret]

atleast u wouldnt kill yourself ?

<300.

[Sass]

i think you would get more people to the events, definitely

but i dont think that will clear it up on the streets

what happens on the streets varies from the way people just drive on a day to day basis to someone pulling up next to you at the lights and wanting to be a knob - it'll happen anyway

[eMsta]

i learnt a lot from the driver training days - especially in the wet

and after a full day of speeding around sandown, i had enough of the fast life and twas good to just cruise around

doing training/track days once a month i reckon really does help ease the need for speed - so yes, if it was subsidised i reckon it will help calm the hoonage

[SKYL1N]

i drive sensibly most of the time now however sometimes i just get the urge to not

if for 10 dollars i could release that on a track

then i would defiantly go.

[R31Nismoid]

you'll clear it up to an extent.

But as always, there will still be illegal meets and what not, it will just be at a much reduced level.

This is based on facilities not only being cheap, but also semi-close by and open regularly (more than once a week)

[saff_cossie]

It will help to a certain extent but it will get the wrong crowd I think. Similar to when they have a gun amnesty, its always the people who have no intention of using the gun that hand it in.

With cheaper events, you will attract a very high population of people who would have no intention of doing races on the streets and actually get more people interested in this type of event who otherwise wouldnt be bothered (e.g Joe Bloggs in his barina).

Having cheaper and more accessible events is the long term whinge of speeders/street racers but in reality it would deter very few as the buzz/danger/excitement/impulse isnt there.

[DogKnight]

I think it nwould definately help. Not a total solution by any means, but a cheaper way of getting the adrenalin rush is always good.

[linedup33]

maybe a drag strip in the s.e...cbf going all the way to the other side of town

[R33silverS2]

Yeh i think it would help too, definately would not stop hoon totally behaviour but personally i feel it would curb it somewhat. Mnay people with high powered cars and imports have never seen the strip or a track and therefore the only times they have been able to 'use' their car and get what they payed for in terms of performance is illegally on the street.

[Downforce]

I think making it cheaper will be great for those who are genuinely into motorsports or drag racing as a legitimate hobby, BUT i don't think it will stop hoon activity on the street as there will always be people who love drag racing on the street and have no interest in doing it 'officially' at the strip or the circuit.

[GTR_STEALTH]

I rekon

-It will reduce illegal street meets substantially.

-It will reduce general hoon behaviour to some extent. Sometimes on odd occasions people get the urge to put their foot down...

[fuzzy_scuz]

Australia needs an AutoBarn just like the ones in Germany

[evade]

  GTTR34 said:

I think making it cheaper will be great for those who are genuinely into motorsports or drag racing as a legitimate hobby, BUT i don't think it will stop hoon activity on the street as there will always be people who love drag racing on the street and have no interest in doing it 'officially' at the strip or the circuit.

word. some people don't care about tracks and strips..

[R33silverS2]

Agreed it cannot stop hoon activity entirely but import drivers and the like would have less of a reason to feel the need to put the foot down and drag if they knew it could be done it a perfectly legal way easily and cheaply and therefore the risks associated with doin it illegally are made even more not worth it. I know thats what i would do / think.

[adznight]

  linedup33 said:

maybe a drag strip in the s.e...cbf going all the way to the other side of town

I agree mate, Calder is BS.

[r_o_b]

ok thanks people,

1. so what do you suggest that is realistic in the aim of stopping as much as possible 'hoon' behaviour?

2. Do u think that the only way of stoping stuff like it will be to have the cars removed from the driver?

3. How effective do you think the new tac ad on TV is? will this help?

I know that these questions dont really nead answering but I cant walk into a presentation with no research, if u know what I mean.

Thanks for all of the responses so far

[DogKnight]

1) I think its more about driver education. Alot of mistakes happen that cause accidents, it isnt always in relation to hoon behaviour. Plus, if some of the young drivers are in a car in a controlled environment that "looses control" maybe itll scare them enough that they dont try anything stupid on the roads.

2) I dont think car removal is the only answer. You can be a hoon in a Skyline, a 200SX or your parents Comoddore. You could even been a hoon in a toyota camery. Dragging off the lights, spinning up the wheels, or driving dangerously is the driver and not the car. Taking the car away may be preventative, but they can always jump in a family members car. It will help, but I think there must be a better way.

3) New TAC add I dont think is that effective. I just looked at it and it didnt make me think for a second I should change my driving (not to say I would classify as a hoon, but I would be lying if I said that I haven't gone over the speed limit before).

[stolen_s15]

  r_o_b said:

OK I've almost finished my oral presentation on the new p-plater laws. My final question to all you guys and girls is that;

if events: drag, drift, track days/nights were subsidized by the Government and were made cheaper I mean alot cheaper ($10 entry at calder and $50-100 trackdays for example) would you refrain from 'hoon' like behaviour on the roads?

I understand how much more busy places like calder will be but try to keep this out of your decision.

Cheers ROb

No, it wont solve the problem.