Westfield Miranda

[-FIGJAM-]

Well if we are going to do this. lets stop talking about it and do it. Everyone who has had their car flogged from this car park, no matter who it is, i want to know the following:

- Car make/model

- Year

- Colour

- Mods

- Where abouts you parked it

- How long you were gone for

- If you noticed anything suspicious

- How often you park there

- And anything else you can think off.

We dont just want skylines, we should try and get ALL imports and in general ALL cars, take that to ACA or TT. Also if others have had their cars flogged in the area in general would be good to get a decent list going.

Either PM or post it here and ill start making some arrangements.

[pharo]

Mine.. Nissan 180sx (5 weeks ago)

White

Mods and colour necessary? TT wont care.. the more it sounds like a hoon car the more they wont care?

Parked for 10min.

Nothing suss at all

First time i Parked there with that car

Nissan S14 Red (4 weeks ago)

Nissan 180sx some time last yer

Nissan R33 GTR some time last year.. sorry I dont have details..

Nissan R32 GTR some time last year also.. sorry again no details

Nissan R34 Black a few weeks ago.. theres a topic about this one also..

Nissan 180sx stolen 5 weeks ago but in Kirrawee

NIssan Silvia stolen from JustJap 5 weeks ago also

Toyota Supra stolen 5 weeks ago

Nissan 180sx Silver last year near Miranda

Nissan 180sx also near Miranda

Im sure there has been more

Its also non-imports getting stolen from there as well.. but If you ask security they say no cars get stolen all the time.. of course.. they dont wanna ruin their reputation..

I also tried contacting TT about this, hopefully the more they get about this story the more they bring it up...

Edited February 29, 2008 by pharo

[NRV155]

What did TT say to you?

[Michele]

Mods and colour necessary? TT wont care.. the more it sounds like a hoon car the more they wont care?

I may be wrong, but I think FIGJAM was trying to profile the b@stards oops I mean thieves. Helps with working out what to use for bait

[br3tt]

There is no doubt the thieves read these forums to see people's mods and stuff.. as soon as you go "yep were gonna bait with a white r32 gtr with gold volk rims".. it won't get touched

[Michele]

hmmm then that would be another good test to do... with an immobiliser which activates when you press you remote as they get to the boom gate (camera).

I'd loooooove to set up a sting, that would be the bestest... but know the laws aren't there to protect us, only the guilty.

[Edge]

Do you need a security licence, and what evidence, number of witnesses, and do you need a successful prosecution for citizens arrest or can we be sued for wrongful arrest when we call the police? Can you show me legal advice?

Guess it means car owners need insurance against theft.

Pity people who's cars arn't worth getting comprehensive insurance, those cheaper late model cars are being stolen a lot more.

For those without insurance your best option against losing a car from security parking, is to physically remove essential electrical components or fuses.

Makes it too much of a hastle (time wize) beyond breaking your locks and dashboard, which they do anyway while they check for spare keys and try to hotwire the ignition, and so be prepared to buy new locks and dash parts.

It is possible to rig a car up with hidden cameras inside, I can build it for you and you can install all 4 cameras to watch all sides of the vehicle. Good for recording cruises too.

Can't wait to catch a car thief red handed, count me in for the possie, but what is the penalty for the thief under law, is it severe enough to bother? Why not just put information brochures around the security park advising the penalty for car theft instead?

Thing is it even catching them red handed won't stop them, there are several thieves, and the guards know who they are, they just can't be bothered sticking their necks out, quick way to lose their job. Why don't you just put gps tracking in a typical cheap theft target vehicle, to find the workshop wrecking them. Or better still gps tracking inside the 4wds spare wheel.

If the law doesn't do anything about it then lets catch them and perhaps give the thieves a job working for us? We need some replacement parts from our stolen cars.

[NRV155]

There is no doubt the thieves read these forums to see people's mods and stuff.. as soon as you go "yep were gonna bait with a white r32 gtr with gold volk rims".. it won't get touched

In that case; Thieves who are reading this, wherever my car is parked is a setup to catch you.

[Edge]

get one of those commodores with the exclusive model rims to use as bait and park 2 spaces from exit gate in the security section.

[adgey]

Use one of those "special" cars the Iraqi's use and when they steal it KABOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!

[MRDeanos.]

no what we need to do if stuff off ACA and TT. a bunch of us head down park a few car's there inviting them to take it and BAM TRUNK MONKEY!

[-FIGJAM-]

As far as i am aware, as long as we dont belt the living shit out of them, we wont be in trouble. If we have made claims to the police n done everything right and take it into our own hands we should be right. The best way to do it is to cable tie their hands behind their back or even hog tie them. NO ABUSE. That is the main thing, if the cops show up n they have recieved some nice hits n kicks, we in the back n they get away.... again.

However there are ways to do it without being caught n leaving a mark

[-FIGJAM-]

Forgot to mention that i am waiting to hear from TT, and who would be willing to apear on the show if our story is brought forward? If you dont feel comfortable letting me know in the forum please pm me you contact details and if i am contacted i will let TT know ho else is willing to appear.

[GTR-32U]

Do you need a security licence, and what evidence, number of witnesses, and do you need a successful prosecution for citizens arrest or can we be sued for wrongful arrest when we call the police? Can you show me legal advice?

Guess it means car owners need insurance against theft.

Pity people who's cars arn't worth getting comprehensive insurance, those cheaper late model cars are being stolen a lot more.

For those without insurance your best option against losing a car from security parking, is to physically remove essential electrical components or fuses.

Makes it too much of a hastle (time wize) beyond breaking your locks and dashboard, which they do anyway while they check for spare keys and try to hotwire the ignition, and so be prepared to buy new locks and dash parts.

It is possible to rig a car up with hidden cameras inside, I can build it for you and you can install all 4 cameras to watch all sides of the vehicle. Good for recording cruises too.

Can't wait to catch a car thief red handed, count me in for the possie, but what is the penalty for the thief under law, is it severe enough to bother? Why not just put information brochures around the security park advising the penalty for car theft instead?

Thing is it even catching them red handed won't stop them, there are several thieves, and the guards know who they are, they just can't be bothered sticking their necks out, quick way to lose their job. Why don't you just put gps tracking in a typical cheap theft target vehicle, to find the workshop wrecking them. Or better still gps tracking inside the 4wds spare wheel.

If the law doesn't do anything about it then lets catch them and perhaps give the thieves a job working for us? We need some replacement parts from our stolen cars.

No you dont need a security licence to do this.In fact a security guard has no more legal rights than anyone else.The arrests they make are still defined as citizens arrest.They take huge risks however as I would be willing to bet that 95% of Security guards have no idea on what their powers of arrest even are.This is dangerous as a false arrest can lead to a law suite that may even cost you your house.! I did security for 5 years, in that time I worked security at said shopping centre chain,But not at Miranda.I was also loss prevention for Myer. even did the plain clothes undercover thing also. Now for the interesting part.For you to make a sucessful arrest several criteria must be met so you cannot be sued and the defence attorney cannot pick your case to bits- They will try

I would highly recommend using video surveillance for this job as it is undisputable proof

While doing loss prevention several criteria we had to meet

*Thief must be observed to approach object

*Thief must be witnessed committing the offence of breaking into and entering vehicle

*Thief must be witnessed to drive vehicle away

Now my points may seem a bit stupid,but during all of these acts the person(s) witnessing the event must not lose visual contact at all at any time.This is VERY important...In our statements against thieves we had to write lengthy reports of the incidents..In our reports we had to make note of all these things..

eg male was seen at ? time enter the ? area of the Myer store.Male was then observed to select ? item of clothing.male was then observed to conceil the item under his shirt.male was then observed to walk past checkout without making any attempt to pay for the item.male was then observed to leave the store without paying for the item. Male was then approached by myself and arrest was made.At no point in time was visual contact lost...

I cannot stress how important the not losing visual even for a second is...If for example I was chasing an offender with said item..and lets say I lost him for a second or two but then seen him again and arrested him..He had item on him still etc...His defense attorney would throw this case out...He could prove that it could have been possible that in the time I lost contact he theoretically could have made contact with a friend who gave said item to him etc....see my point ?...I hope my little bit helps as I got years of experience of doing just this..i can tell stories for hours about it..May I also suggest you approach other car forums with this also...WRX,Supra soarer, Commodore Falcon etc..I am sure you would have their support also

[-FIGJAM-]

thanks for the info. Is good advice. I have approached the Supra forum, and like us they know that the shire in general is just a no no, so im sure they will support us with what they can.

[-FIGJAM-]

What did TT say to you?

Pretty much what im trying to achieve.

[FATAZZ]

DOG....The Bounty Hunter!

[-FIGJAM-]

Anyone know a better way to get into contact with TT or ACA rather then thru the internet? They dont seem to reply online

[R338OY]

Anyone know a better way to get into contact with TT or ACA rather then thru the internet? They dont seem to reply online

I'd call them and arrange to speak to someone in person, i.e. a producer who will actually put a story together, can interview victims and also has legal advisers and police contacts.

You need to call and show them there is a real story here. TT & ACA always play 'victim' stories. It won't be hard to get an audience with someone in their ranks.

Good luck

[-FIGJAM-]

Problem is i cant find a number for them.