Hsv Owners Being Converted

[Amir]

Have a read from LS1 forum. In first post it says a few have already put a deposit down for the R35.

Looks like a few HSV folk will be joining this forum next year.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=94095

[jenkies]

interesting... good thing is most of those hsv owners switching to nissan are likely to be older and a little more sencible than sterio type v8 hoons.... could be a good thing.

and i read a fair bit of that thread... they all talk about the gtr highly. i like

for bringing us that thread... a view from the other side haha

[MattD]

The point is made in the first few posts on the LS1 forums.

The only common ground these cars have is the price.

They have indeed seen the light and respect to them for not dismissing it due to narrow minded brand loyalty like some will.

[Nick_S]

The point is made in the first few posts on the LS1 forums.

The only common ground these cars have is the price.

They have indeed seen the light and respect to them for not dismissing it due to narrow minded brand loyalty like some will.

I was going to put a link up to that thread ... I have been a member on LS1 for almost 4 years and have owned 4 HSVs and heaps of Holdens. I currently have a SS-V, an E Series GTS and a heavily modified HSV Coupe 4 that has recently run a 10.982 @ 124 mph down the qtr on street tyres. I think it's fair to say that I am a die hard a Holden / HSV fan ... but that doesn't mean I think everything else is crap. Most members on LS1 give credit where it's due, there have even been threads on the Typhoon that have been mostly positive !!! You get the tools ... but every forum has them.

I have placed a deposit on an R35 as quite simply it looks to be the best sports car ever made for the money. I will still own Holdens, especially as we have 2 young kids and need a sedan with room for the whole family ... but no Commodore will ever be able to do what the GT-R can do. I think the fact that several LS1 members have placed a deposit on a GT-R ... and several others are seriously considering it ... shows just what sort of impact the release of the GT-R has had.

[Himself]

I was going to put a link up to that thread ... I have been a member on LS1 for almost 4 years and have owned 4 HSVs and heaps of Holdens. I currently have a SS-V, an E Series GTS and a heavily modified HSV Coupe 4 that has recently run a 10.982 @ 124 mph down the qtr on street tyres. I think it's fair to say that I am a die hard a Holden / HSV fan ... but that doesn't mean I think everything else is crap. Most members on LS1 give credit where it's due, there have even been threads on the Typhoon that have been mostly positive !!! You get the tools ... but every forum has them.

I have placed a deposit on an R35 as quite simply it looks to be the best sports car ever made for the money. I will still own Holdens, especially as we have 2 young kids and need a sedan with room for the whole family ... but no Commodore will ever be able to do what the GT-R can do. I think the fact that several LS1 members have placed a deposit on a GT-R ... and several others are seriously considering it ... shows just what sort of impact the release of the GT-R has had.

I envy your position. But on a serious note, Want to do a trade? ME for one of your kids? I can feed myself and go to the toilet by myself. PM me if interested. I promise i wont mess the gtr when you take me to work in it!

Edited March 10, 2008 by Himself

[Guilt-Toy]

some people go over that fine line.....

[Himself]

some people go over that fine line.....

its just a joke. I'm sure 99% of readers would at the agree. Sorry if i "crossed the line".

Back on topic.

You would have to be a extremely loyal HSV die-hard to not think the GTR is great value for money. If anything, it will prove beyond doubt that the aussie car builders are not progressing down the right track when it comes to building a performance car. Less capacity, better performance in this case. Maybe they would get better results (sales) if they copied someone other than the yanks. Surely the days of bogans being the number one fan base are limited, especially in light of the oil crisis and the whole climate control issue. Reguardless of all that crap, I would prefer to see the GTR on the street. Living where i do, that would make the papers!

[evil_weevil]

Nick,

Mate as I live down the road from you, and Im a fellow trackchat member, I'll be more than happy to help you wash the GTR and go for a ride in

p.s. good stuff on the 10 sec pass from the other day mate!

cheers,

Chris

[Nick_S]

You would have to be a extremely loyal HSV die-hard to not think the GTR is great value for money. If anything, it will prove beyond doubt that the aussie car builders are not progressing down the right track when it comes to building a performance car. Less capacity, better performance in this case.

I don't think they are going down the wrong track ... if you are after a car that is all out performance then yes, a big heavy 4 door sedan is not ideal. HSV is all about making the big sedan about as performance oriented as it can get. I love our V8s (I have 3 of them !!!), they are bloody quick, very comfortable, look great (IMO anyway) and more than enough room to load up the family, fill up the boot and head off on holidays. They are sensational highway cars, overtake with ease, cruise at 100 km/h with less than 2000 rpm on the clock and bucket loads of torque ready to get you moving when you need to ... and the kids can sit in the back and watch a DVD.

Now clearly something that is designed to do all this is never going to be able to do what a GT-R can do ... but a GT-R couldn't take me and the family on holidays comfortably either. Very different cars with very different roles to play ... personally, I love all of them.

[Nick_S]

Nick,

Mate as I live down the road from you, and Im a fellow trackchat member, I'll be more than happy to help you wash the GTR and go for a ride in

p.s. good stuff on the 10 sec pass from the other day mate!

cheers,

Chris

Thanks Chris ... sure was fun. 1.52 second 60' on street tyres ... what a rush !!!

You can help me wash the GT-R anytime mate ... I'll even let you take it for a spin around the block.

[Amir]

I was going to put a link up to that thread ... I have been a member on LS1 for almost 4 years and have owned 4 HSVs and heaps of Holdens. I currently have a SS-V, an E Series GTS and a heavily modified HSV Coupe 4 that has recently run a 10.982 @ 124 mph down the qtr on street tyres. I think it's fair to say that I am a die hard a Holden / HSV fan ... but that doesn't mean I think everything else is crap. Most members on LS1 give credit where it's due, there have even been threads on the Typhoon that have been mostly positive !!! You get the tools ... but every forum has them.

I have placed a deposit on an R35 as quite simply it looks to be the best sports car ever made for the money. I will still own Holdens, especially as we have 2 young kids and need a sedan with room for the whole family ... but no Commodore will ever be able to do what the GT-R can do. I think the fact that several LS1 members have placed a deposit on a GT-R ... and several others are seriously considering it ... shows just what sort of impact the release of the GT-R has had.

I go on that site from time to time, and the discussions on that forum are mostly constructive, with educated opinions. I have been toying with the idea of getting an LS3 HSV.

[WazR32GTSt]

thanks for the link

its funny because the folks at the ls1 forum are more open minded than we are (as a whole)

[Zoggy]

very intresting. I think Nissan has blown the market open with its bang for buck. I would be very suprised if the HSV comes in at a similar price to the GTR.

[Howie]

As mentioned in that thread... gee i wish i had that dilemma. Serious note, I know two people so far in my network of friends who have their names down for the GTR.. one has a ridiculous AMG Mercedes, and the other a 911 Porsche. The GTR will be cheaper than both the cars... so it shows that people are starting to put brand loyalty aside, and can see the value for money the GTR represents.

[Himself]

I don't think they are going down the wrong track ... if you are after a car that is all out performance then yes, a big heavy 4 door sedan is not ideal. HSV is all about making the big sedan about as performance oriented as it can get. I love our V8s (I have 3 of them !!!), they are bloody quick, very comfortable, look great (IMO anyway) and more than enough room to load up the family, fill up the boot and head off on holidays. They are sensational highway cars, overtake with ease, cruise at 100 km/h with less than 2000 rpm on the clock and bucket loads of torque ready to get you moving when you need to ... and the kids can sit in the back and watch a DVD.

Point taken. Agreed, But you dont need 7 litres for that. Its just not a smart way to get there, in terms of being enviromentally friendly. I just think its overkill, thats all. I understand its obviously not about that, But it is the way of the future. look at all the manufactures form around the globe... Most are all about being climate friendly.

Anyway, whatever gets hsv owners into a gtr must be good, all the hsv owners i know, are the most stubborn people i know.

Edited March 10, 2008 by Himself

[Nick_S]

Point taken. Agreed, But you dont need 7 litres for that. Its just not a smart way to get there, in terms of being enviromentally friendly. I just think its overkill, thats all. I understand its obviously not about that, But it is the way of the future. look at all the manufactures form around the globe... Most are all about being climate friendly.

Absolutely right ... the GTS is more than fast enough for what we use it for. If you are after an all out sports car there are MUCH smarter choices than a 7 litre 4 door sedan ... it just doesn't make sense to spend that much money on a compromised sports car ( ... this coming from an die hard HSV fan ). The size that it is, it can never expect to compete with cars like the GT-R in terms of performance.

People will argue what I argued a few posts up ... "it can carry the whole family etc. etc." ... but so can a Clubbie or a GTS and they are a hell of a lot cheaper and not all that much slower !!! Just doesn't make sense to me. I might pick one up when they are 2 years old and have depreciated 40%.

Edited March 11, 2008 by Nick_S

[R338OY]

This is proof that Holden drivers aren't all "bogan" and uneducated as the stereotype suggests. HSV owners are performance enthusiasts just like GTR owners, so it's great they're buying a few R35's. Brand loyalty is one thing (and not a bad one either), but narrow-mindedness is just ignorance.

Hoorah to a GTR owner that picks up a GTS or a Monaro as well. They're awesome cars regardless of how many seconds faster around a track the R35 is.

I think enthusiasts like Nick bridge a gap in Aussie motorsport culture that has really damaged our international reputation. We've moved on from the '91 & '92 Bathurst dabacle. The breed of Aussie motoring enthusiast today is more educated, open-minded and realises how much is happening in Japan and Germany, as well and Australia and America.

[mark_sudakov]

Whats the expected price of the GTR in Aus?

[stR33ter]

120K - 150K i think was the last figure according to other threads

[MADGT4]

As mentioned in that thread... gee i wish i had that dilemma. Serious note, I know two people so far in my network of friends who have their names down for the GTR.. one has a ridiculous AMG Mercedes, and the other a 911 Porsche. The GTR will be cheaper than both the cars... so it shows that people are starting to put brand loyalty aside, and can see the value for money the GTR represents.

Mmmmm i'd be willing to guess i know who own's both said car's

Well at least one of em.

Either way cant wait to see the 1st one here in Adelaide!

And your right Howie... Its good to see people looking at a performance car for what it is not its name.