Ban On Grey Gt-r's ?

[The Baron]

Came across this today

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf...D0?OpenDocument

Any thoughts ??

[Dahtone Racing]

yea and?

you think nissan australia are gonna let people bring em in and under cut their sales

[R-PWR]

How official is this or is it bs and just a scare tactic from nissan to scare importers away for the time being.

[Himself]

I'm sure must people who can afford to import one, can afford to buy one off nissan.

[FineLine]

The irony in this is the fact that Nissan to a degree owe the importers in this country for the popularity of the gtr.

Remember last time they tried to market a gtr here. It fell on its arse and they couldnt shift the minscule amount they bought in.

The "grey" importers took up the cudgel and sold them by the shitload picking up a lot of new skyline devotees along the way. No doubt some of the buyers of the new gtr will come from these ranks.

Nissans way of repaying them is to stop them from importing the new car. Nothing has changed at Nissan.

[Beer Baron]

for sure. it is importers and enthusiasts like us that have created nissan's formidable reputation as a performance car brand in australia. think of how many porsche owners have been passed on the straight by a tuned 32 GTR who now think, yeah there is something to these bloody nissans. they certainly haven't built any performance credibility with pulsars, patrols, maximas and 350zs...

[FineLine]

  Beer Baron said:

for sure. it is importers and enthusiasts like us that have created nissan's formidable reputation as a performance car brand in australia. think of how many porsche owners have been passed on the straight by a tuned 32 GTR who now think, yeah there is something to these bloody nissans. they certainly haven't built any performance credibility with pulsars, patrols, maximas and 350zs...

Performance is a relative term Baron. The hardy patrol is legendary in its performance capabilitys in its own environment, At least as much vaunted as the gtr is in its domain.

The Max also performs above its weight in terms of an extremely laid back comfy cruiser with all the fruit.

I have no experience with the z cars but i am sure old scathing will be along any time soon to take you task over that. :laughing-smiley-014:

[lingeringsoul]

  Beer Baron said:

for sure. it is importers and enthusiasts like us that have created nissan's formidable reputation as a performance car brand in australia. think of how many porsche owners have been passed on the straight by a tuned 32 GTR who now think, yeah there is something to these bloody nissans. they certainly haven't built any performance credibility with pulsars, patrols, maximas and 350zs...

annnnnnd this is how they thank us..........

if the price they sell here = the price you buy from japan + all the rest of the cost , then I guess it won't be so bad. But if they want to put $50,000 "dealer adjustment cost" as BMW puts it, then I'll shit in their show room.

[FineLine]

  lingeringsoul said:

annnnnnd this is how they thank us..........

if the price they sell here = the price you buy from japan + all the rest of the cost , then I guess it won't be so bad. But if they want to put $50,000 "dealer adjustment cost" as BMW puts it, then I'll shit in their show room.

I'd like to see that. :laughing-smiley-014:

[N1GTR]

  DR-ENVY said:

How official is this or is it bs and just a scare tactic from nissan to scare importers away for the time being.

Sounds like that to me

Nissan: Dont rip us off and there wont be any problems. Remember who the fan base is

[lingeringsoul]

  N1GTR said:

Sounds like that to me

Nissan: Dont rip us off and there wont be any problems. Remember who the fan base is

damn right, you don't wnat a rerun of what happened 15 years ago. We are like promotors, and we dont even get paid for it.

[FineLine]

  lingeringsoul said:

damn right, you don't wnat a rerun of what happened 15 years ago. We are like promotors, and we dont even get paid for it.

We are more than promoters mate. More like the keepers of the flame. Without the enthusiasts and the importers Nissan would have to come from a long long way behind the eightball to get the acceptance of the gtr to where it already is.

[sewid]

They are not telling the whole story in that article. As usual a journalist speaks to a media trained representative from Nissan and believes that is the end of the story before actually researching the matter themselves.

Nissan are being very manipulative in what they say as to make people believe they have "closed the door" on grey imports but in fact they are deliberately leaving out half of the story.

It is a scare tactic used by Nissan to make it seem too risky to the average punter that they will think twice before even contacting someone to do it. The proof against Nissan's story will be seen before the end of this month.

[N1GTR]

  FineLine said:

We are more than promoters mate. More like the keepers of the flame. Without the enthusiasts and the importers Nissan would have to come from a long long way behind the eightball to get the acceptance of the gtr to where it already is.

Agreed.

Its the enthusiasts that pour more than $40,000 into their cars that has helped the GTR enjoy the status that it does.

Otherwise the GTR would be "that thing that got banned in the early 90's" instead of "the car that i just saw run a 10 at WSID" or"the car i just saw then on a dyno pulling 350awkw" or "the car that just beat me" etc

Something from nissan would go a LONG way for its aussie fan base (if they care about it at all)

[MarkZ]

  lingeringsoul said:

if the price they sell here = the price you buy from japan + all the rest of the cost , then I guess it won't be so bad. But if they want to put $50,000 "dealer adjustment cost" as BMW puts it, then I'll shit in their show room.

Hear hear. I can even imagine the look on your face while you're there -->

As I've posted elsewhere in this forum, a fair price would be $110-115,000.

That's based on guesstimating the overseas pricing breakdown and understanding local taxation costs, which then imply that as low as $90,000 should be do-able (a la Canada).

Furthermore, grey imports (if possible) would come in around $120-125,000 (after paying full price in Japan!) and also arrive 12 months earlier than from Nissan Aus.

If Nissan can't sell you this car for a fair price and are unable to block the grey imports, then they cede control of the GTR brand to the importers. Please Nissan, use common sense! And hurry up, its not like Nissan Japan sprung this car on you by surprise!

[djr81]

I have a question.

Why does anyone think that any car dealer, least of all a Nissan dealer, gives a flying fk about any enthusiast community?

Car dealers care about one thing & one thing only: How much money they can make out of selling you a shiney new car.

It consumes them.

If they get to shaft the second hand import industry in the process it is, for them, just an added bonus.

[NISMO]

  sewid said:

The proof against Nissan's story will be seen before the end of this month.

Sewid, are you saying that it will be added to the list by the end of the month and any workshop can start it's evidence process?

[Beer Baron]

fark here we go again. it's been on the bloody list for nearly 3 months. anyone with big enough balls and money behind it could have (has) imported their test car by now and is already getting their evidence together. there is more than one group in this boat right now.

[madbung]

Nissan don't like grey imports simply because they feel it's drawing potential new car buyers away from their market..They also don't give a flying - that we buy 2nd/3rd hand nissans because they gain no revenue from the sale, they also gain little revenue from parts because most of us (modified car owners) will always look for an improved aftermarket part over a genuine nissan part and rightly so..

In short they owe us nothing and probably consider us an enemy to their purely profit driven corporation. I'd expect nothing less than them to try and protect their new car/models markets, without doing it they simply wouldn't survive...then we all lose.

Maybe a 2-3 year lead time from new to eligible "grey" import would work for both sides.

[IOWNU]

  djr81 said:

I have a question.

Why does anyone think that any car dealer, least of all a Nissan dealer, gives a flying fk about any enthusiast community?

Car dealers care about one thing & one thing only: How much money they can make out of selling you a shiney new car.

It consumes them.

If they get to shaft the second hand import industry in the process it is, for them, just an added bonus.

x2.

Nissan owes the "enthusiast community" NOTHING.

You think they care that you own a modified version of their R32 GTR? No.

99% of the the enthusiast community can't afford an R35 GTR anyways.....so I can't see how we can claim that Nissan owes us anything...