What Would Be Quicker?

[Turbo Dave]

Just finishing off my Hi-Flow setup on the GTS-T and have decided that I really want a R33GTR.

But if its going to cost a bucket load to get it going as good my car goes then I might have to have a rethink.

Currently at about 220rwkw and feels very strong, will a GTR feel like this in stock form????

Dave

Edited March 24, 2008 by Turbo Dave

[Turbo Dave]

Yeah!!! saw that vid a while ago, effing INSANE!!!!

Has anyone else done the swap from a GTS-T to a GTR and been dissappointed with money spend for the exrta performance??

Or does it go without saying that GTR's are just in a league of their own.

Never owned an all wheel drive car, is it that noticeable when driving normally?? ie: through the twisty stuff on the way to the Gong or is it mainly a benifit in racing/trackday situations?

Cheers Dave

PS. All coments welcome as I dont want to bark up the wrong tree if its not worth it!

[monga]

lol GT-R getting chopped by a auto s15, wake up and smell the grass mate, your dreaming 140odd kw v 207kw awd man ect ect

Turbo Dave, a GT-R is always going to be better than a GTS-T, handling, power ect ect

[Rav]

I had a R33 GTS-T manule i was going to mod it, But then i thought i could just get a 32GTR it it would be just has fast, and with less mods it would be quick on the road and beat most cars, And i dont regret it one bit,And if your thinking of getting a R33 GTR you cant loose your not going a older model just a better model.

[Turbo Dave]

Im in 2 minds there too, do i go for a stockish R33 or spend similar coin and get a modded 32 with very little to be done but drive.

I can get a 300awkw r32 for the $25k mark, looks pretty stock outside but I guess with todays cops that could be a good thing to have a sleeper.

Thanks for the quick coments so far guys.

Dave

[R338OY]

Tricky scenario.

If you've just finished hi-flowing your gtst:

1. You'll lose money on the mods when you sell it.

2. Someone else will be enjoying a fresh 220kw

So it's not exactly great to give that up IMO, but:

1. No a dead stock GT-R won't go like a 220rwkw gtst.

2. BUT a GT-R will make that OR more power using stock turbos, needing only simple mods like intake/exhaust/retune, and puts it to the road more effectively.

3. You know your gtst is fresh, but you're gambling buying a new car. It might be a lemon and need some expensive bits and pieces.

4. If you plan to spend some dough to make the GT-R faster you'll be paying roughly DOUBLE what it costs to mod a gtst.

I'm sure lots of gtst owners would LOVE a GT-R (me included) but aren't willing to fork out large amounts of money when a gtst is already fun and reliable.

So my point is it's a great upgrade, but are you loaded enough? And is it worth giving away a car you just modded for a gamble at a car we all know has probably had a raping from many little Jap boys and some rough aussies too?

If you answered YES to both then congratulations on becoming the new owner of an R33 GT-R

Edited March 24, 2008 by R338OY

[infamous_t]

Turbo Dave, a GT-R is always going to be better than a GTS-T, handling, power ect ect

Keep your car for a while now that you've spent a bit of coin on it, but when your left itching for more... get the GTR so you can get the power to the ground.

So my point is it's a great upgrade, but are you loaded enough? And is it worth giving away a car you just modded for a gamble at a car we all know has probably had a raping from many little Jap boys and some rough aussies too?

Yeah because no one thrashes GTSTs either

[R338OY]

Keep your car for a while now that you've spent a bit of coin on it, but when your left itching for more... get the GTR so you can get the power to the ground.

Yeah because no one thrashes GTSTs either

Lock in the first point Eddy, that's a good compromise. Rape your car before you sell it at least

Lock in point number 2 as well. Of course gtst's get raped I raped mine the other day

But you're spending lots more on a GTR, so more risk.

Point is, at least he knows the gtst has plenty of life in it.

Edited March 24, 2008 by R338OY

[rev210]

Sell the car buy the R33 GTR.

Just go drive one and see what I mean.

[W0rp3D]

you also have to consider how much more power you are going to want, there are lots of cheap parts to mod a gtst but once you go gtr the price of parts sky rocket and there isnt any near as many cheap new or used parts for a gtr.

[75coupe]

Do you guys really think there are less parts out there for a gtr than a GTST?

Just look at the price of Power FCs, gtr ones are cheaper, there are heaps more second hand racing bits out there for GTRs, in fact I find it hard to find racing bits for a GTST, as far as most racing circles are concerned the GTST is not really a race possible car...

I think you have to ask yourself do I like burning rubber and going sideways, I would love a GTR as well but it will be a 34 when I do and I think I will still want a RWD car as well... Sure the GTR can be drifted if you know how but not like a RWD... The M3 is a RWD and it aint no slow coach.

But hell you've got a fresh 220rwkw, drive that for a while longer wait for 34s to come down a little then get that then your getting a different car completely, different interior, shape, tail lights and all on the 34...

But this is only an opinion

[SECURITY]

a stock gtr will give you around 140-150awkw but you can still pull a high 12sec pass on a good launch. you'll probably get the same in your car (220kw) with a good launch.

you arent really losing much by selling yours and buying a gtr. you could pick up a decent enough r33 gtr for $20k.

im putting off driving a high power gtr because i know if i feel the acceleration in one i'll dump my car and buy one. the bottom line is you can pull much quicker times with less power in a gtr.

what you need to ask yourself is - how much money do you have to throw at your car?

[75coupe]

Then what is it that attracts you to keeping a GTST?

for me I just like RWD cars... What attracts others to them over a GTR?

[justin911]

i had a 33 gtst with a hks 2535 that made 250kw, but i realy think it was more like 220-230rwkw..

anywho now ive got a stock 33 gtr with just a catbak and it makes 200rwkw and its just as much fun as my old car, if not more Its a bit laggier but you get used to that after a few weeks.

im not into drifting or going sideways etc, so im loving the 4wd when it kicks in

and to get a gtr to 250rwkw is way cheaper than a gtst. you just need exhaust/cam gear and a pfc.

a 250kw gtst your gonna need pfc/exhaust/turbo/injectors/intercooler/ebc and other things im probably forgetting.

not to mention my 12 yr old stock gtr suspension feels better than my bilstein/whiteline kit i got a couple of years ago

[Tragic]

as far as most racing circles are concerned the GTST is not really a race possible car...

Tried telling that to SydneyKid?

[SECURITY]

Then what is it that attracts you to keeping a GTST?

for me I just like RWD cars... What attracts others to them over a GTR?

its too much fun in my car. i like to give it a hit and feel the back about to kick out and know that the only thing stopping me from losing it is me, i feel like theres alot more driver involvement with a RWD but the more i get into beating my track times the better a GTR looks. for now im in it for the fun with the boys and the occasional hit here and there. and my only options at the moment are the r32 and r33 gtr, i could afford either but the r32 is too old and you cant make the r33 gtr RWD - i wont enjoy it.

i've spent a fair bit of time and money on my gtst getting it the way i want it, i'd just be starting all over again.

[75coupe]

Tried telling that to SydneyKid?

I did say most...

[Turbo Dave]

Some great responses, opinions and advise in there..Thanks!!

What attracted me to the GTS-T is price of course and it looks pretty tough for a stockish car compared to the australian trash from the same year, but I recently got a spin in my bro inlaws B4 Liberty, although auto its had some work and I couldnt believe how it stuck to the corners, just felt like it was on rails compared to my R33 which is very taily, and all this while it was raining..yep believe it or not IT RAINED!!!!!! hehe

I was only passener but he seemed to be spending more time looking for the apex of a corner than while carrying alot speed than worring about spining the thing around coz stabbed it too much.

But on the other hand I already have the GTS-T in the garage and it goes well, might sit back for a few months and see what Im thinking then instead of spending a bit of $$$ and being back to stock.

But a GTR badge on the boot makes you think twice about giving it a run off the lights, every man and his dog trys to run my car at the moment from V6 commodores to 307 cluby's, Much to their disapointment.

Cheers Dave

Edited March 25, 2008 by Turbo Dave

[Tragic]

Some other advantages of a GTS-T over a GTR and just to be clear im not trying to say its a better car

For daily driving, its a lower reving engine with VCT so you get more power sooner which is great for traffic. Also with the more lower end power you also have ~300kgs less weight to move which IMO makes for a much better daily driver.

For race track, while you don't have the speed again you have ~300kgs less so its going to be a lot lighter on the tyres and brakes making for a cheaper track day. When it comes to the rear tyres... well that will depend on your foot control.

[rev210]

Some other advantages of a GTS-T over a GTR and just to be clear im not trying to say its a better car

For daily driving, its a lower reving engine with VCT so you get more power sooner which is great for traffic. Also with the more lower end power you also have ~300kgs less weight to move which IMO makes for a much better daily driver.

For race track, while you don't have the speed again you have ~300kgs less so its going to be a lot lighter on the tyres and brakes making for a cheaper track day. When it comes to the rear tyres... well that will depend on your foot control.

Sorry no advantages there either.

daily driver, The RB26 isn't disadvantaged at all in this area. I've actually owned several gtst's and GTR's for work use and I do tens of thousands of kms a year. The GTR is a better daily driver , end of story especially in terms of winter by a very long way. I got more kms out of my GTR tyres as well thanks to the lack of wheel spin.

Racing wise, if you want to track day a car, tyre and brake wear is expected and if you actually want to go faster you are always happy to destroy both in the pursuit of the times. More aggressive pad material and softer tyres are a case in point. The GTR is going to be faster = more fun.

If you are trying to save money or get good fuel ecconomy any kind of skyline is not the right car for you.

Owning them back to back definately helps understand why the GTR is the car.