Risk Of Turbo For Green Platers

[Kujotk]

I live in an area that is full of retirement villages and i got to say id rather have a p plater speeding past me than a 70+ year old man or woman with her cat on her lap, stupid massive sun hat on her head, they dont believe in indicating, dont give ways at stop signs, give way signs, follow the lines on the road, obey the arrows on the road, drive at rediculously slow speeds on one lane roads, tend not to keep there lane, or in allot of unlinned streets dont seem to stay on their side of the road and never seem to acknowledge children crossing on a zedbra crossing.... yes some p platers are shit drivers but they are learning and generally get better with age, allot of the earlderly are trying to be safe in my area but due to many other underlying problems that come with ageing they seem to do more harm than good in the area and only get worse the longer they have a lisence. I'm not attacking older people, im saying what i see every day in and around castle hill, cherrybrook areas. Its sad to take somebodies freedom of driving a car away, but it is allot worst to end a life short because of not wanting to offend a growing group of society. We will all be in this situation one day, but its part of a human beings life cycle....

also did you know cherrybrook shopping village had the most accidents per day in any area of australia in 2007? 2nd place went to Castle Towers shopping centre, 2 of these accidents were fatalities (*pedestrian), and 213 reported non fatal pedestrian accidents reported at cherrybrook vilage in 2007.... i dont know how many were caused by retired people but going off what ive seen with my own eyes my bet is on older people not seeing or not registering information fast enough....

just some food for thought...

[homedog56]

That is what is most frustrating about these new laws when you see people who clearly cant drive but still hold a license AND can own a high performance vehicle.

I am 17 and have been on my red P's for almost a year and cannot agree more with actual driving experience being the key to becoming a decent and safe driver on the road and that can only come with actual time on the road.

I also agree with the fact that fast cars can kill inexperienced drivers very quickly but in saying that fast cars can kill anyone who cant handle them and no matter how much general on road experience you have unless you have undertaken an advanced driver training course or participate in some form of motorsport how would any person whether they are 17, 25, or even 50 be better equipped to handle a fast car or understand its limits.

Its just that the over 25's are supposedly more mature and are trusted to not use the car to its full potential on the road but why would any person buy a car with that sort of potential without the intentions of occasionally giving it a push even on public roads.

I think that P-Plater's should be able to undertake an advanced driver training course to obtain a license for a Turboed, Supercharged or V8 vehicle.

I thinks its also extremely important that the younger generation be shown how dangerous a car can actually be whether its fast or slow because even in a slow 4cyl car it is still possible to kill yourself when you dont understand how easy it is to lose control of a car.

GEEZ I SOUND LIKE SOME OLD FART

So all in all i agree and disagree with the laws and this is coming from a person who wishes they could own a turbo car.

END RANT

[scathing]

So all in all i agree and disagree with the laws and this is coming from a person who wishes they could own a turbo car.

I'm with you. I agree with the idea behind why the law was made, but not the actual rules they enacted. "Great idea, bad go at it" in other words.

My opinion is that we need a sports car license. I couldn't care less if you're 17 or 70, if you can't qualify to drive a high powered car then you don't get one. I'd probably set the minimum age to 20 (to make sure new drivers get time behind the wheel of a normal car before stepping into something fast) and work from there.

[WIHAGTR]

I know someone aged 18 who recently died in a Hyundai on princess highway vic, so sports car or not, at times its the fact that your in a somewhat fast car which can make you a more safe driver, because you kick it a bit, rear tires lose traction and you slide all over the place and NEARLY crash, and then there's fear. People in slower cars don't have that, so they are more prone to pushing their car. So skyline or bicycle, it's all about your mentality :-) And I agree with the above poster, every time a driver is pissing me off on the roads it's either an Asian (not being racist) or a older member of society.

[MP_R33]

I know someone aged 18 who recently died in a Hyundai on princess highway vic, so sports car or not, at times its the fact that your in a somewhat fast car which can make you a more safe driver, because you kick it a bit, rear tires lose traction and you slide all over the place and NEARLY crash, and then there's fear. People in slower cars don't have that, so they are more prone to pushing their car. So skyline or bicycle, it's all about your mentality :-) And I agree with the above poster, every time a driver is pissing me off on the roads it's either an Asian (not being racist) or a older member of society.

At least someones on the right page.. Couldnt have said it better myself!

[usmair]

my mate got done in his WRX in auburn

this is what the cop said to him

"mate, your driving a purple wrxy through auburn in the middle of the day with P plates on... WTF are you thinking" haha

i was actually glad he got pulled over so he doesnt risk screwing his life for not waiting a few months...

anyways.. he lost his license for 3 months... $800 fine too i think

cops were going to impound his car too... but he weazled out it saying he goes to uni, he hasnt got a record blah blah

so yeh... DONT DO IT!!! and tell yr mates not to either even if they think yr 'uncool'

[ignuz]

my mate got done in his WRX in auburn

this is what the cop said to him

"mate, your driving a purple wrxy through auburn in the middle of the day with P plates on... WTF are you thinking" haha

i was actually glad he got pulled over so he doesnt risk screwing his life for not waiting a few months...

anyways.. he lost his license for 3 months... $800 fine too i think

cops were going to impound his car too... but he weazled out it saying he goes to uni, he hasnt got a record blah blah

so yeh... DONT DO IT!!! and tell yr mates not to either even if they think yr 'uncool'

Well that's his mistake for driving out west with a purple WRX probably stands out like dogs balls.

Edit: And they need to ammend the law due to the following.

L platers - Can drive any car they want as long as a full licensed driver is supervising.

P - Platers with MORE experience driving a car can NOT drive any turbo charged, v8 etc etc car WITH an adult 'supervising.'

Please.. Someone explain the logic behind that? IMO I think it would even hold up in court if you were to be caught driving with a turbo car if you had a full licensed person with you.

So Johhny's dad has a heart attack or needs to go to the hospital.. it was fine when he was on his L's and he could drive his dad there..

Yet if he is on his P's under the supervision of his dad he runs the risk of 7 points and $400..

And just saying that it's a SPECIAL circumstance doesn't cut it.. They need to ammend the law to accommodate for situations like that.

Any trying to argue the fact that Learner drivers are ACTUALLY under supervision doesn't mean shit, when we have them ploughing into bus stops and people on our highways. Just because there is someone superivisng them in the car, it doesn't mean they can't f**k up.

The whole system is a joke..

'ROAD deaths involving P-plate drivers in New South Wales in 2006 increased by almost 30 per cent over the previous year, despite a lower overall annual road toll.'

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...5006784,00.html

P-Plater Vehicle Restrictions Under Fire

http://www.caradvice.com.au/6587/p-plater-...ons-under-fire/

Bleh.. Inconsitency.

Edited September 27, 2008 by ignuz

[Kujotk]

I agree with the performance car license, just like HR licence.......

but you know the rta will stuff that up aswell......

[GTS4WD]

Taken from another thread I wrote on:

You know what?

I’m going to play devils advocate.

Its possible to let CERTAIN P platers drive turbo cars.

After nearly 4 years of driving I have never had an accident. Never put a car into anything it shouldnt be. I frequently drive dads RB25DET (22o odd kw) R32. A 150kw volvo.

People need to take the necessary precautions to LEARN HOW TO DRIVE the car – defensive driver courses, skid pan days, track days – Im sure his parents will help chip to better educate their children as a driver and not be a deadshit on the road. People ned to realise that its not the car that makes the driver, it’s the driver that makes the car. He isn’t any better a driver after buying a GTR than he was with his old car. People jump into high performance cars and think "Im driving a sports car so Im a good driver because Im driving a good car and it will take care of me".

People's focus must be on becoming a better driver and bettering his skills, not driving fast. There is no such thing as an un-skilled fast driver.

Of course people will want to give it a squirt. But this is when control must come in. Track racing only. No street hoonism! Or else they can wave goodbye to their car, their licence, get slapped with a MASSIVE fine (thousands of dollars) and even face jail time. Or (god forbid) have to live for the rest of their lives with the notion they have killed someone.

Unless you can honestly say 100% that he can control himself behind the wheel of a high perfomance import and not be a wanker and make the sacrifices that need to be made, then don’t bother. It will end bad for everyone with massive repercussions for the driver, for the modified community, for P platers and (god forbid) an innocent person/s and family.

Just because someone is young, that does not mean they are all idiots. We all were/are young. Some people just have their head screwed on. So question is, do most people have their head screwed on? Or are people in it for the "street cred", the race scene and to "prove" themselfs? Are they going to be thrashing around town because they have an import?

Its far more impressive to see a good driver that can control themselfs than a dickhead.

I too am on my greens and will drive dads 220kw rb25det 32. I know the tempations. I know the feeling you get. You think your god. You continuously want to feel boost and hear the turbo spool up, in ever gear. Fly through 1st, thats too quick, into second and you want to go for 3rd and by the time you realise it your doing 140km/h. You feel superior than everyone on the road. But its not you. Its the car. You have to be VERY down to Earth. You have to be focused on keeping your licence, life and car. You have to realise that ANYTHING can happen. And more often than not, it happens when you least expect it. Before you do ANYTHING, he has to think, "what could go wrong? What are the negative outcomes?". The answer to both of these questions is NEVER "nothing".

Thats my 2cents..

I think its possible.. but its a very VERY VERY long shot. There are too many wankers that will let everyone with their heads screwed on.

P platers need to focus on bettering their driving skills to become a better driver, improve their skills, technique and learn their car.

Truth is. There are not enough P platers to lift the ban. Although, I remeber reading in an Autosalon Magazine that a full year after the ban was placed the percentage of P platers that died acctually increased.

But what ever. Im almost off my greens, I have done my time.

[bombtrack]

What's the big deal anyway P-platers? Wait till you're off you're P's. I didn't own a turbo sports car until I had my license and I dealt with it, and you can too! It's only ~3years and as illustrated in this article http://www.caradvice.com.au/6587/p-plater-...ons-under-fire/ if you really want to you can get a car more powerful than a turbo on your P's legally. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the road laws!

[jlards]

There's a good reason for that.

I think they should just ban anyone under 18 having a license.

You're not allowed to vote under 18, your not allowed to smoke or drink so why should you be able to hold other peoples lives in the hands of a car.

More then 15,000 p-platers lose license

ur allowed to smoke in public at 16 just not allowed to buy them, and ur allowed to drink wen under 18 as long as on private property as well as long as u are under the care of your parents

Edited October 10, 2008 by jlards

[RBwhatever]

What's the big deal anyway P-platers? Wait till you're off you're P's. I didn't own a turbo sports car until I had my license and I dealt with it, and you can too! It's only ~3years and as illustrated in this article http://www.caradvice.com.au/6587/p-plater-...ons-under-fire/ if you really want to you can get a car more powerful than a turbo on your P's legally. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the road laws!

Some P platers make it a big deal because they're captain impatient.

[Kujotk]

Some P platers make it a big deal because they're captain impatient.

you completely missed the later discussions...... very closed minded of you

[MP_R33]

you completely missed the later discussions...... very closed minded of you

Oh so true hahah

[MP_R33]

you completely missed the later discussions...... very closed minded of you

Oh so true hahah

[RBwhatever]

you completely missed the later discussions...... very closed minded of you

I completely agree that there a P Platers out there that are well and truly capable and have the right enough mindset to pilot a Hi-Po car in their own right.

But for the ones that decide to "defy" the law and choose to drive Hi-Po cars well knowing the consequences when the right has not been legally given to them, they are the ones that are impatient. Impatient in the sense they are not willing to wait till they are legally allowed. Sure some people get away with it etc etc and never get caught.

But along the lines of what GTS4WD said, some should be allowed to drive them. Perhaps this law could have some leeway implemented making it legal for P platers that have undergone defensive driving courses to have the freedom to drive a Hi-Po car without question. It will be things like these that will put better drivers on the road. But for the meantime we've got to live with what we've got, regardless of how "wrong done" some P platers may be in regards to performance cars.

Now i don't think that was very close minded of me

PS. I'm not taking a stab at you Behind every statement is a reason.

[Owgasm]

I'm probably going to get chopped and bagged for this.

I've been driving now for about 1.5 years, thats on L's then P's.

This is driving 90% of the time, once i got my L's i was put in the drivers seat and pretty much never left it.

I wasn't just driving locally, i drove everywhere, in all traffic conditions and personally, it was great to experience what was out there.

As a L plater, i started off in a Delica Turbo Diesel van thing then after a week it was a V8 4.0L Soarer for a few months mixed in with the GTR. My dad took me in to an industrial estate on a sunday arvo and put me in the seat, then after that it was just a few days a week driving around in that. Great experience driving different cars.

Now that i'm on my Red P's, the family doesn't have any cars that i am able to drive legally, so i applied for an exemption for the skyline and i got it.

Most of you probably think i'm just a "rich-kid" that was given whatever he wanted.

But i don't care what you really think.

I'm not saying i have had alot of experience, compared to 90% of the people on this forum, i have no experience.

I believe, the way my parents raised me and the environment i've been in for mylife that i am able to resist the temptations of racing and stupid behaviours on the roads we see today.

In a few weeks i'll be doing a driving/defensive course at Mt Cotton that will hopefully give me further insight on different possible scenarios that may occur on the roads and how i may deal with them. So a little bit more experience.

But then again, i believe the laws should be there, but any car can be driven in a stupid manner.

A few of the d**kh**ds at my school drift in the wet, find dirt and drift in that, speed and all the other "bad" things in the old hilux utes, 4wds, pulsars, astras.... etc

So there are many other ways p platers can die other than high performing cars.

Now, don't shoot me.

[RBwhatever]

I'm probably going to get chopped and bagged for this.

I've been driving now for about 1.5 years, thats on L's then P's.

This is driving 90% of the time, once i got my L's i was put in the drivers seat and pretty much never left it.

I wasn't just driving locally, i drove everywhere, in all traffic conditions and personally, it was great to experience what was out there.

As a L plater, i started off in a Delica Turbo Diesel van thing then after a week it was a V8 4.0L Soarer for a few months mixed in with the GTR. My dad took me in to an industrial estate on a sunday arvo and put me in the seat, then after that it was just a few days a week driving around in that. Great experience driving different cars.

Now that i'm on my Red P's, the family doesn't have any cars that i am able to drive legally, so i applied for an exemption for the skyline and i got it.

Most of you probably think i'm just a "rich-kid" that was given whatever he wanted.

But i don't care what you really think.

I'm not saying i have had alot of experience, compared to 90% of the people on this forum, i have no experience.

I believe, the way my parents raised me and the environment i've been in for mylife that i am able to resist the temptations of racing and stupid behaviours on the roads we see today.

In a few weeks i'll be doing a driving/defensive course at Mt Cotton that will hopefully give me further insight on different possible scenarios that may occur on the roads and how i may deal with them. So a little bit more experience.

But then again, i believe the laws should be there, but any car can be driven in a stupid manner.

A few of the d**kh**ds at my school drift in the wet, find dirt and drift in that, speed and all the other "bad" things in the old hilux utes, 4wds, pulsars, astras.... etc

So there are many other ways p platers can die other than high performing cars.

Now, don't shoot me.

You don't need shooting, you are 100% correct.

[Kujotk]

I'm probably going to get chopped and bagged for this.

I've been driving now for about 1.5 years, thats on L's then P's.

This is driving 90% of the time, once i got my L's i was put in the drivers seat and pretty much never left it.

I wasn't just driving locally, i drove everywhere, in all traffic conditions and personally, it was great to experience what was out there.

As a L plater, i started off in a Delica Turbo Diesel van thing then after a week it was a V8 4.0L Soarer for a few months mixed in with the GTR. My dad took me in to an industrial estate on a sunday arvo and put me in the seat, then after that it was just a few days a week driving around in that. Great experience driving different cars.

Now that i'm on my Red P's, the family doesn't have any cars that i am able to drive legally, so i applied for an exemption for the skyline and i got it.

Most of you probably think i'm just a "rich-kid" that was given whatever he wanted.

But i don't care what you really think.

I'm not saying i have had alot of experience, compared to 90% of the people on this forum, i have no experience.

I believe, the way my parents raised me and the environment i've been in for mylife that i am able to resist the temptations of racing and stupid behaviours on the roads we see today.

In a few weeks i'll be doing a driving/defensive course at Mt Cotton that will hopefully give me further insight on different possible scenarios that may occur on the roads and how i may deal with them. So a little bit more experience.

But then again, i believe the laws should be there, but any car can be driven in a stupid manner.

A few of the d**kh**ds at my school drift in the wet, find dirt and drift in that, speed and all the other "bad" things in the old hilux utes, 4wds, pulsars, astras.... etc

So there are many other ways p platers can die other than high performing cars.

Now, don't shoot me.

i agree +1.....

i don't get where the rich kid comment came from lol.....

this is an example of somebody on their p's that possibly should be allowed to drive a HPI,,,,, or hes just a good bullshitter lol...

also to reply to a comment said earlier; if the law says you can't drive it, then you shouldn't drive it, i dont know why somebody would do something like that.... obviously some punk from auburn or bankstown would defy the law just because they can..... hope they get caught and are forced to sell the cars so i can buy a cheap track car lol (half the car is probably stolen anyway, get them for that aswell)

also i understand the laws are there for a reason but his law doesn't seem to be working... it hasn't made much difference, there has to be a better way like the High Performance lisence idea or something....

[CR34M]

Havn't read above posts but as of my knowledge and experience with this stuff in Victoria is. By current amendments and the new laws the following are applied:

First encounter is $1000 fine and 3 demerit points for driving a car over the "power to weight ratio"

Second encounter is $5000, i assume 3 points again which will leave you with suspended licence. plus 1 month for extra point. And an impounded car under hoon new state hoon laws.

Strike 3 will see a 10-15 thousand dollar fine and a permanent loss of your car. The police wil see fit to what happens with it too and that it will no longer be YOUR car. You would obviously still have to pay what you owe on it too to whoever you owe that to. Then you will face a court hearing and the judge will sentence you as he/she finds fit. Most P platers get another fine on top of what they got from coppers, they are even talkking about short term jail sentences (a few months in the slammer).

Theres few other laws here and there, as for R32 4 door GTST's they are tehcincally legal to drive stock but its risky and cops will look for anything to fk you with and most likely EPA your ass quite often lol.

Red P's cannot drive any sort of turbocharged or 8 or more cylinder powered vehicles.

Green P's can drive anything regardless, as long as its within the power to weight ratio which is 125Kw per ton (measured from the flywheel )

I know this much because when i drive down princess highway theres a silver unmarked XR6 turbo and a Green VE 6.0L both highway patrol cars that i know the drivers of, since they pull me over regularly to check my NON turbo R34 lol...just to make sure i havnt done a shifty on em.

As for hearing this, one day they hoon towed a pink VL on P's that was dragging a 32GTR up and down P Hwy, then they pulled over the rest of the group over including myself and i had a good talk to them about what exactly you can and can't do.

Most people i see driving GTT 34's and GTST's on P's havn't been caught but just wait till they get a strict cop on their tails

Regardless of wether they get caught or not, its probably wise you don't follow in their footsteps no matter how tempting it is. I had the temptation of buying a GTT since it was the same price as my 25GT but the choice was made more clear when i saw first hand what happens.

Plus the laws aint getting any softer, they are just comming down harder and harder, soon i wouldn't be suprised if they started issuing out fines to little kids on bikes because they don't have 'training wheels' on the back.

Also i am on my green P's and as much as i love to say i drive sensibly ALL the time, i don't, and sadly its a fact for most P platers, i know though over time i am becomming more sensible and part of that is knowing that i am in the wrong to begin with. I have done defensive driving courses after i totaled my black R34. After all that i drive like a granny, i drive sensibly 99% of the time...now i have to work on that 1% which will potentially be most p plater's downfall.