Nsw New Anti-hoon Bill

[POLICE]

Inciting drag racing or tailgating should be illegal for all drivers out there

The only hoons I see more prominent on the streets are police, especially undercover ones

[scathing]

"....Hello Officer xxx"

"I'm currently recording, please advise me if you do not wish to be recorded."

"Thank you"

A lot more cops are wired up to record your conversation when they pull you over. They do give you a warning of it.

You could conceivably stick a sticker on your car warning them that they're being filmed, like they do with other warning signs.

[MRDeanos.]

ahaha thats sneaky i like it.

[Shaddow]

I don't know about film but I do believe with photography they can't ask you to stop taking photos, the most they can do is ask you to leave the scene. I believe they need to arrest you to stop you taking photos. You can be civily sued though. I was under the impression with film if you are in a public area then you give up any rights to privacy. Basically if you don't want to be on film don't leave home.

[Richieb]

Ok, So how about a system that monitors your car both visibly and audibly for security. Little warning sticker that says this on window.

Is that a naughty idea??

Like the authorities use loop-holes, then it also cuts the other way.

[wraith_skyline]

I had a mate who did this, had video and audio. When the cop walked up and did the old "you are being recorded" speach he just said he was recording it too

[mass_iv]

Thank god i have a GTR..... 4WD = NO BURNOUT

All i have to do is resist the temptation of P'OWNING a n00b on the road and ill be fine...

[DECIM8]

You drive a GTR, every camry driver wants to race you lol.

[malcolm]

UMM dont race???

If you race on the road,you are a tool.Thats what the track is for.

If you dont draw attention to yourself it will lessen the chance of being pulled over.

Granted i have been pulled over without warning.But it helps not to be a wannabe drifter or be racing for pinks yo.

Hi there - I couldnt agree with you more !!

The only reason that these laws are put in place is for the very simple reason that certain "brainless morons" with driving licenses think its ok on a public road to :

* do burnouts

* race

* drift

* spend more money on beer than tyres

* speed

If you drive your car on a public road in a safe and responsible manner with the consideration of other road users at all times obeying the rules !!

Guess what ?

You wont get a ticket a fine lose any points or your licence ! - youll still have your car too !

Dont be a brainless moron & save the "crowd pleasing moves" for the track !!!!!

It aint "rocket surgery" guys !!

Cheers - malcolm

[R34NOS]

I stopped at the light from city to brighton near cleveland street intersection last night. I knew it was undercover cop car coz it was ford xr8 silver with tints so i just guessed. The light went green and obviously he let me go first so i cruised and then he came next to me and revved his car and went ahead of me . I didn't do anything and still followed the speed limit and he waited for me to come next to him and revved again.i told him to put the windows down and guess what 2 cops in the car. I shouted to the cop why is he acting like a tool. Is it coz he never driven a V8 and he laughed and said that he wanted to make sure that i don't race cars when someone provokes me. What a stupid cop!! I do respect experienced cops but these 2 cops looked young and inexperienced and that's why put the whole police department in shame due to their stupid acts.

They should be prosecuted under anti hoon law as well

Edited April 25, 2008 by R34NOS

[scathing]

then he came next to me and revved his car and went ahead of me . I didn't do anything and still followed the speed limit and he waited for me to come next to him and revved again.

You should have called the LAC and reported some hoon in a V8 with illegally dark tints trying to street race in the area, and given them the plates.

he laughed and said that he wanted to make sure that i don't race cars when someone provokes me.

Did you ask him if he'd book the guy who provoked you if you did get gee'd up by them and street raced? If not, then why is it only one of the "street race" participants that gets booked or is it only because you're ethnic. If so, then ask him why he doesn't go and book himself to meet his quota.

Edited April 25, 2008 by scathing

[mattymagoo22]

My car was impounded, an old r31 skyline on a friday morning at 7am going to work, mate beside me in his mondeo we were talking through the open windows and missed the lights we both took off quickly after being beeped, we actually turned left from the lights (crn of Carlingford and Pennant hills rd). Next thing we were both stationary at the next set of lights not 100m from where we had just turned ( marsden rd i think) lights came on and an officer appered at my window demanding my licence, which I promptly gave him he also got my mates as we were driving in peak hour traffic. We pulled up outside carlingford bowling club where the officer had instructed us too, asked why we were driving in the manner we did and what were we talking about at the lights? We told him that we were talking about something we had just heard on the redio and we took off from the lights quickly as we had not wanted to hold up traffic any longer than we already had. I didn't spin my wheels at all, my mates mondeo did slightly there were no marks or smoke produced was dry and in peak hour traffic.

to cut a long story short.

The Highway came to the conclusion that we had verbally organised a race referrring to the conversation we had and had carried out the act by accelerating from the lights(around a corner mind you then coming to a stop not 100m from that intersection reaching maybe 50 or 60ks), which gave him enough cause to remove our cars to impound them under the 1999 road safety act(forgive me if thats the wrong section). I had no way of defending this claim the decision was made by him our cars were removed, we had to take all personal belongings and walk to epping station.

I lost:

3 months rego and insurance

having a car in the middle of winter

5 days off work going to court

$2000 in solicitor fees towing and impound costs

Verdict the police officer in question had no addmittance that myself or my mate were racing( really 7am in the morning in peak hour around a corner) he exercised his right as an officer of the law and confiscated our vehicles without having to prove anything.

When in court the prosicution had no witness( the officer failed to show up after contacting me several times to see if I would plead GUILTY!!!!) and the case was dismissed. I had no right of disputing the costs incured even though i did nothing wrong, just had to cop it.

this legislation was introduced to stop hooning and organised illegal street meets in industrial areas at 3 am on sunday mornings(I forget the name of the taskforce) was introduced it stays with the resulting outcome the situation I was in. The police have too much power as it is I was guilty until proven innocent, but still had to cop the costs.

I am all for no racing as sadly it takes lives as we've recentlly seen on the news, but my situation was a case of too many rights and too much power for the police.

I hope that this opens some eyes.

P.s I still have the brief(cost me $2000) and the officer even got that wrong he charged me with neg driving occassioning death.... I didn't even have an accident! My solicitor was disappointed that he didn't get to have the matter heard( he would have liked to make a fool out of the police, I was just greatful that I didn't lose my car or worse go to Gaol!

[Charles89]

My car was impounded, an old r31 skyline on a friday morning at 7am going to work, mate beside me in his mondeo we were talking through the open windows and missed the lights we both took off quickly after being beeped, we actually turned left from the lights (crn of Carlingford and Pennant hills rd). Next thing we were both stationary at the next set of lights not 100m from where we had just turned ( marsden rd i think) lights came on and an officer appered at my window demanding my licence, which I promptly gave him he also got my mates as we were driving in peak hour traffic. We pulled up outside carlingford bowling club where the officer had instructed us too, asked why we were driving in the manner we did and what were we talking about at the lights? We told him that we were talking about something we had just heard on the redio and we took off from the lights quickly as we had not wanted to hold up traffic any longer than we already had. I didn't spin my wheels at all, my mates mondeo did slightly there were no marks or smoke produced was dry and in peak hour traffic.

to cut a long story short.

The Highway came to the conclusion that we had verbally organised a race referrring to the conversation we had and had carried out the act by accelerating from the lights(around a corner mind you then coming to a stop not 100m from that intersection reaching maybe 50 or 60ks), which gave him enough cause to remove our cars to impound them under the 1999 road safety act(forgive me if thats the wrong section). I had no way of defending this claim the decision was made by him our cars were removed, we had to take all personal belongings and walk to epping station.

I lost:

3 months rego and insurance

having a car in the middle of winter

5 days off work going to court

$2000 in solicitor fees towing and impound costs

Verdict the police officer in question had no addmittance that myself or my mate were racing( really 7am in the morning in peak hour around a corner) he exercised his right as an officer of the law and confiscated our vehicles without having to prove anything.

When in court the prosicution had no witness( the officer failed to show up after contacting me several times to see if I would plead GUILTY!!!!) and the case was dismissed. I had no right of disputing the costs incured even though i did nothing wrong, just had to cop it.

this legislation was introduced to stop hooning and organised illegal street meets in industrial areas at 3 am on sunday mornings(I forget the name of the taskforce) was introduced it stays with the resulting outcome the situation I was in. The police have too much power as it is I was guilty until proven innocent, but still had to cop the costs.

I am all for no racing as sadly it takes lives as we've recentlly seen on the news, but my situation was a case of too many rights and too much power for the police.

I hope that this opens some eyes.

P.s I still have the brief(cost me $2000) and the officer even got that wrong he charged me with neg driving occassioning death.... I didn't even have an accident! My solicitor was disappointed that he didn't get to have the matter heard( he would have liked to make a fool out of the police, I was just greatful that I didn't lose my car or worse go to Gaol!

damn....that musta sucked... i'd be pissed off if that was me

[R34NOS]

You should have called the LAC and reported some hoon in a V8 with illegally dark tints trying to street race in the area, and given them the plates.

Did you ask him if he'd book the guy who provoked you if you did get gee'd up by them and street raced? If not, then why is it only one of the "street race" participants that gets booked or is it only because you're ethnic. If so, then ask him why he doesn't go and book himself to meet his quota.

I wanted to have a good chat with the cop but he drove off after that but yeah not happy with their tactics to book people.

[mattymagoo22]

That was the only good thing about the laws around APEC a 'sunset clause'. The police were given the powers to literally "Bash anyone"( as long as they have REASONABLE CAUSE) they didn't like, but after APEC had finished these powers were then taken away, under a sunset clause, and correct me if I'm wrong, once a bill/legislation is passed its pretty much there indifinately until parliment amends or rescinds it.

The act under which my car was confiscated Traffic Amendment( street and illegal drag racing) act 1996 did have a sunset clause, which was ammended 6 months after being passed due to it being so effective.

There is a lot of legislation out there we aren't aware of (like being gaoled for steeling a carrier pigeon, for example) it comes down to discretion, get into a bar fight in a pub in Sydney and you will most definately get a harsh punishment due to the frequency of it in the media recently, do this in a pub in the middle of Bourke and you'll probably be locked up for the night to sleep it off and then let go without so much as a talking to. I was just unlucky in that the officer had it in his head that he was going to take our vehicles, and this was something he could do without having to prove anything( a speeding fine would be disputed in court without first having to pay the fine or losing any Demerit points) but impounding my car was a way he could punish me without there being a way to prevent it, it was dismissed no charges were laid, I still lost thousands of dollars( more than my car was worth) that I can never recover, he knew it I had no leg to stand on. Thats what happens when people have too many powers. We end up with no rights!

So Reasonable cause is left in the capable hands of the individual, it just so happened that the individual I encountered was, for lack of a better word, a complete WANKER! Had it been a different officer I may have been let off with a talking to, not that I did anything wrong, and saved myself a lot of hassel. It was not to be and the officer took my property without hesistation, without a court hearing and never did turn up to face the music as he knew that he didn't have a case.

[scathing]

the officer even got that wrong he charged me with neg driving occassioning death....

Having your permanent record saying that you killed someone would pretty much f**k you for life.

That blows, man.

[R34-2NV]

my r34 was confiscated back in november for three months.

i payed 0ver $3000 in legal fees just to get a three week early release of the car and now have to go to court and defend myself against charges laid by the police alledging that i did a burnout.

i know that i did not do a burnout and the police office knows also but because i was a smartass to him he decided to be knob.

if i am found guilty i will have to pay inpounding fees of close to $1500 and a fine of $450 along with all other legal and court fees.

just because i am a p plater driving a sports car and have a voice to speak out to the cops i have to put up with their crap.

i was treated like dirt by the officer for no reason other than he was a jealous prick.

i can not drive down my road to the gym without getting pulled over even when im shifting gears before 2500 revs. my acr is not even that worked.

too much power is given to the police to make life changing decisions based on human emotion. there is no way anyone can say that cops are not bias against p platers. i think the only solution is to fight these new laws in court and on the streets through protest.

i dont enjoy driving my car anymore because i have to always watch over my shoulder paranoid as hell even though i am not breaking the law.

i even got defected and fined by a cop in a typhoon. he fined me for having fog lights on and when i asked why his were on he did not answer.

something needs to be done.